[PAS593]

Thanks Symze . I will know more tmorro BMW had no ATF in stock so ill get it tmorro . If that not helping ill have to go for a rebuild 1st then 2nd sell the car asap . Ill never ever buy bmw cars .

me either, had 3 BMW's since 2020 each one has had a range of problems. Prior to that I had 2 Merc's - not one issue with either, the E-Class I think I got 150k miles out of it and was still going strong when I sold it. Kicking myself for switching

 

[brucefraser12011962]

here a link to a youtube video which explains this gearbox, very interesting and if nothing else gives you an idea of why Transmission Fluid changes are so important, still shocks me BMW and others won't do it as a service requirement

 

[alinnisip1]

Look what i found out guys VW Transmission Lawsuit Won't Be Dismissed
.... this its the same gearbox !!!
We need to get together !!!!

 

[brucefraser12011962]

Look what i found out guys VW Transmission Lawsuit Won't Be Dismissed
.... this its the same gearbox !!!
We need to get together !!!!

here is a list cars this transmission is in, serious problems are not common hence why most get the cold shoulder from BMW, sad but thats the way most manufacturers work, i maintain most issues are related to servicing or lack of, this needs to be addressed and added to service schedules, IMO of course
BMW/MINI:

• 2015–present BMW 2 Series Active Tourer (F45) and Gran Tourer (F46) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2016–present BMW X1 (F48) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2016–present Mini Clubman (F54) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2016–present Mini Countryman (F60) with 4-cylinder engines (and B38 with AWD)
• 2018–present Mini Cooper SD (F55/F56) and JCW (F56) due to torque output over 300Nm
• 2018–present BMW X2 (F39) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2019–present BMW 1 Series (F40) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2020–present BMW 2 Series Gran Coupé with 4-cylinder engines

Changan:

• 2019–present Oshan COS1° GT
• 2019–present Changan CS85
• 2020–present Changan UNI-K
• 2021–present Changan UNI-V
• 2022–present Changan CS75

Chery:

• 2023–present Chery Tiggo 9 (AWD)

Citroën:

• 2017–present Citroën C5 Aircross
• 2018–present Citroën Grand C4 SpaceTourer
• 2019–present Citroën Berlingo
• 2020–present Citroën C4
• 2021–present Citroën C5 X

DS Automobiles:

• 2018–present DS 7
• 2019–present DS 3
• 2020–present DS 9
• 2021–present DS 4

Exeed:

• 2023–present Exeed Lanyue

Geely:

• 2019–present Geely Xingyue/Xingyue L[7]
• 2020–present Geely Xingrui

GM:

• 2016 Chevrolet Malibu
• 2017 Buick LaCrosse[8]
• 2017–2019 Cadillac XT5[5]
• 2018–2020 Buick Regal TourX, (I4 AWD only)

Jaguar:

• 2020–present Jaguar E-Pace (1.5t 3-cylinder engines)

Land Rover:

• 2020–present Discovery Sport (1.5t 3-cylinder engines)
• 2020–present Evoque (1.5t 3-cylinder engines)

Lexus:

• 2012–present Lexus RX (V6 AL10 F-Sport, AL20 & AL30 non Hybrids)
• 2018–present Lexus ES (non-hybrid engines)
• 2020–present Lexus LM (LM350)
• 2022– Lexus NX (non-hybrid engines)

Lynk & Co:

• 2017–present 01
• 2018–present 03
• 2020–present 05[9]
• 2021–present 02
• 2021–present 09

Mitsubishi:

• 2017–present Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (diesel engines)
• 2019–present Mitsubishi Delica (diesel engines)

Opel/Vauxhall:

• 2017–present Opel Insignia
• 2017–present Opel Grandland X
• 2018–present Opel Combo
• 2020–present Opel Corsa
• 2020–present Opel Mokka
• 2021–present Opel Astra L

Peugeot:

• 2017–present Peugeot 5008
• 2017–present Peugeot 308
• 2019–present Peugeot 3008 1.6 EAT8 & 2.0 EAT8
• 2018–present Peugeot 508 EAT8
• 2019–present Peugeot Rifter EAT8
• 2019–present Peugeot 208
• 2019–present Peugeot 2008
• 2022–present Peugeot 408

Polestar:

• 2019–present Polestar 1

Škoda:

• 2018–present Škoda Karoq (Australian market)
• 2020–present Škoda Octavia (some markets)

Toyota (as UA8xx):

• 2018–present Toyota Avalon (non-hybrid engines)
• 2018–present Toyota Alphard (V6)
• 2018–present Toyota Camry (non-hybrid engines)
• 2018–2020 Toyota Sienna
• 2019–present Toyota RAV4 (non-hybrid)
• 2020–present Toyota Highlander/Grand Highlander

Volkswagen/MAN:

• 2017-present Volkswagen Crafter and MAN TGE (transversely mounted engine only)
• 2018–present Volkswagen Tiguan (US version only)[10]
• 2018–present Volkswagen Atlas (US version only)
• 2018–present Volkswagen Golf (US MK7 & Australian MK8)
• 2019–present Volkswagen Jetta (US version only)
• 2019–present Volkswagen Arteon (US version only)
• 2022–Volkswagen Taos (FWD models)[11]

Volvo (TG-81SC/SD):

• 2014–2016 Volvo S80 II[12]
• 2014–2016 Volvo V70 II[13]
• 2014–2016 Volvo XC70 II
• 2014–2017 Volvo XC60
• 2015–2018 Volvo S60 II
• 2015–2018 Volvo V60
• 2014–present Volvo XC90 II[14]
• 2016–present Volvo S90 II[14]
• 2016–present Volvo V90 II[14]
• 2016–present Volvo V40
• 2017–present Volvo XC60 II
• 2017–present Volvo XC40[15]
• 2018–present Volvo V60 II[3]
• 2018–present Volvo S60 III

 

[alinnisip1]

here is a list cars this transmission is in, serious problems are not common hence why most get the cold shoulder from BMW, sad but thats the way most manufacturers work, i maintain most issues are related to servicing or lack of, this needs to be addressed and added to service schedules, IMO of course
BMW/MINI:

• 2015–present BMW 2 Series Active Tourer (F45) and Gran Tourer (F46) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2016–present BMW X1 (F48) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2016–present Mini Clubman (F54) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2016–present Mini Countryman (F60) with 4-cylinder engines (and B38 with AWD)
• 2018–present Mini Cooper SD (F55/F56) and JCW (F56) due to torque output over 300Nm
• 2018–present BMW X2 (F39) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2019–present BMW 1 Series (F40) with 4-cylinder engines
• 2020–present BMW 2 Series Gran Coupé with 4-cylinder engines

Changan:

• 2019–present Oshan COS1° GT
• 2019–present Changan CS85
• 2020–present Changan UNI-K
• 2021–present Changan UNI-V
• 2022–present Changan CS75

Chery:

• 2023–present Chery Tiggo 9 (AWD)

Citroën:

• 2017–present Citroën C5 Aircross
• 2018–present Citroën Grand C4 SpaceTourer
• 2019–present Citroën Berlingo
• 2020–present Citroën C4
• 2021–present Citroën C5 X

DS Automobiles:

• 2018–present DS 7
• 2019–present DS 3
• 2020–present DS 9
• 2021–present DS 4

Exeed:

• 2023–present Exeed Lanyue

Geely:

• 2019–present Geely Xingyue/Xingyue L[7]
• 2020–present Geely Xingrui

GM:

• 2016 Chevrolet Malibu
• 2017 Buick LaCrosse[8]
• 2017–2019 Cadillac XT5[5]
• 2018–2020 Buick Regal TourX, (I4 AWD only)

Jaguar:

• 2020–present Jaguar E-Pace (1.5t 3-cylinder engines)

Land Rover:

• 2020–present Discovery Sport (1.5t 3-cylinder engines)
• 2020–present Evoque (1.5t 3-cylinder engines)

Lexus:

• 2012–present Lexus RX (V6 AL10 F-Sport, AL20 & AL30 non Hybrids)
• 2018–present Lexus ES (non-hybrid engines)
• 2020–present Lexus LM (LM350)
• 2022– Lexus NX (non-hybrid engines)

Lynk & Co:

• 2017–present 01
• 2018–present 03
• 2020–present 05[9]
• 2021–present 02
• 2021–present 09

Mitsubishi:

• 2017–present Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (diesel engines)
• 2019–present Mitsubishi Delica (diesel engines)

Opel/Vauxhall:

• 2017–present Opel Insignia
• 2017–present Opel Grandland X
• 2018–present Opel Combo
• 2020–present Opel Corsa
• 2020–present Opel Mokka
• 2021–present Opel Astra L

Peugeot:

• 2017–present Peugeot 5008
• 2017–present Peugeot 308
• 2019–present Peugeot 3008 1.6 EAT8 & 2.0 EAT8
• 2018–present Peugeot 508 EAT8
• 2019–present Peugeot Rifter EAT8
• 2019–present Peugeot 208
• 2019–present Peugeot 2008
• 2022–present Peugeot 408

Polestar:

• 2019–present Polestar 1

Škoda:

• 2018–present Škoda Karoq (Australian market)
• 2020–present Škoda Octavia (some markets)

Toyota (as UA8xx):

• 2018–present Toyota Avalon (non-hybrid engines)
• 2018–present Toyota Alphard (V6)
• 2018–present Toyota Camry (non-hybrid engines)
• 2018–2020 Toyota Sienna
• 2019–present Toyota RAV4 (non-hybrid)
• 2020–present Toyota Highlander/Grand Highlander

Volkswagen/MAN:

• 2017-present Volkswagen Crafter and MAN TGE (transversely mounted engine only)
• 2018–present Volkswagen Tiguan (US version only)[10]
• 2018–present Volkswagen Atlas (US version only)
• 2018–present Volkswagen Golf (US MK7 & Australian MK8)
• 2019–present Volkswagen Jetta (US version only)
• 2019–present Volkswagen Arteon (US version only)
• 2022–Volkswagen Taos (FWD models)[11]

Volvo (TG-81SC/SD):

• 2014–2016 Volvo S80 II[12]
• 2014–2016 Volvo V70 II[13]
• 2014–2016 Volvo XC70 II
• 2014–2017 Volvo XC60
• 2015–2018 Volvo S60 II
• 2015–2018 Volvo V60
• 2014–present Volvo XC90 II[14]
• 2016–present Volvo S90 II[14]
• 2016–present Volvo V90 II[14]
• 2016–present Volvo V40
• 2017–present Volvo XC60 II
• 2017–present Volvo XC40[15]
• 2018–present Volvo V60 II[3]
• 2018–present Volvo S60 III

For me looks like something else its going on . Wile you right most of problems are related to maintenance ..... problems on 27k miles and in my case35k miles .

This problems should not happen at this mileage services or not .... dead gearbox at 27k and 35k miles takes more then lack of service.

 

[brucefraser12011962]

For me looks like something else its going on . Wile you right most of problems are related to maintenance ..... problems on 27k miles and in my case35k miles .

This problems should not happen at this mileage services or not .... dead gearbox at 27k and 35k miles takes more then lack of service.

i disagree, they should have had a post run in service at around 1000 miles, this would remove worn friction material and maybe small amounts of metal from "bedding in", i believe it's this material that can interfere with the solenoids...there is no filter in this GB, the ATF in my gearbox was as black as used diesel oil after 25,000, i dont believe it would have been anywhere near as bad had it recieved a run in service, also i think driving style has an effect, my car was all stop go traffic for 20,000, another point though is: i dont think this is as big an issues as some think, there must be hundreds of thousands of these gearboxes in use now, if it was epidemic scale i think we would know

 

[symze01]

Look what i found out guys VW Transmission Lawsuit Won't Be Dismissed
.... this its the same gearbox !!!
We need to get together !!!!

I sent this to BMW as evidence - just ignored me. But it only took a total of 40 complainants to convince the judge. Deffo worth a group complaint.

 

[brucefraser12011962]

I sent this to BMW as evidence - just ignored me. But it only took a total of 40 complainants to convince the judge. Deffo worth a group complaint.

it's not the same faults and they have not won yet, VW will win i have no doubt

 

[Johnnyroper]

I am amazed there’s no filter in an auto box given the clutch packs can cause debris let alone any bits of metal. It’s no wonder solenoids/mechatronic units have issues.

 

[Ste42]

i disagree, they should have had a post run in service at around 1000 miles, this would remove worn friction material and maybe small amounts of metal from "bedding in", i believe it's this material that can interfere with the solenoids...there is no filter in this GB, the ATF in my gearbox was as black as used diesel oil after 25,000, i dont believe it would have been anywhere near as bad had it recieved a run in service, also i think driving style has an effect, my car was all stop go traffic for 20,000, another point though is: i dont think this is as big an issues as some think, there must be hundreds of thousands of these gearboxes in use now, if it was epidemic scale i think we would know

Are you saying the gearbox needs a 1000 mile service?? What is this, the 1950's? Wow!

 

[brucefraser12011962]

Are you saying the gearbox needs a 1000 mile service?? What is this, the 1950's? Wow!

no you did not read what i said, it needs a service after a run in period then every 25 to 30,000 miles

 

[brucefraser12011962]

I am amazed there’s no filter in an auto box given the clutch packs can cause debris let alone any bits of metal. It’s no wonder solenoids/mechatronic units have issues.

which happens in the first run in miles hence the service

 

[Ste42]

no you did not read what i said, it needs a service after a run in period then every 25 to 30,000 miles

What run in period? You said 1000 miles. Are you saying it needs a mechanic at 1000 miles or not?

 

[brucefraser12011962]

What run in period? You said 1000 miles. Are you saying it needs a mechanic at 1000 miles or not?

yes but you made it out i was saying every 1000 miles ! it's only my opinion based on 40 years in the trade and what Aisin say, if you have something useful to add please do

 

[Ste42]

yes but you made it out i was saying every 1000 miles ! it's only my opinion based on 40 years in the trade and what Aisin say, if you have something useful to add please do

No I didn't. Keep defending a crap gearbox. I'm out.

 

[brucefraser12011962]

No I didn't. Keep defending a crap gearbox. I'm out.

not defending anything, but give me numbers that prove it's a crap gearbox, i bet you can't, i handful means nothing in real terms

 

[symze01]

here a link to a youtube video which explains this gearbox, very interesting and if nothing else gives you an idea of why Transmission Fluid changes are so important, still shocks me BMW and others won't do it as a service requirement

Interesting video, it really is a marvel of engineering, so why on earth do they not service them, it’s madness…

 

[brucefraser12011962]

Interesting video, it really is a marvel of engineering, so why on earth do they not service them, it’s madness…

i agree, even Aisin recommend servicing intervals, clearly BMW and others think it does their brand harm by following recommendations although to give VW a bit of credit they will at least try and repair the GB's...BMW wont

 

[alinnisip1]

Update to post . Did the flush and fluid change was low and dirty but NOT HELPING . Car its drivable atm all gears working but i can feel something isnt right . Rough changes at low speed
im sure will go any moment back to limp mode .
So any who have this issues CHANGING FUIDS ITS NOT HELPING only leave you 400 short . Im still looking for a place to repair and sell the car ( with warranty that issues are gone ) or to change the
gearbox with remanufactured one found for 2500 inc labour .
Only problem i have to get the car to Essex ( 500 miles ) .

 

[brucefraser12011962]

shocked that a fluid change would cost you 400, fluid change works for some, clearly not all, sounds like you have 1 or more solenoid issues, were you told why your fluid was low, do you have a leak ?