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I dont think that there is a way to check the chain without removal of either the engine or gearbox, thats what makes the job so expensive. our local bmw dealer is on around ÂŁ120 an hour.I think that it's a case of listening for unusual noises. How do you hear unusual noises on a diesel? Mine sounds different every time I use it.
Me being cynical as well, go to any garage and tell them that it is making unusual sounds, they'll rub their hands, and book you in. I reckon it's a good earner maybe. Reading what you said about being replaced at a alarming rate, it makes you wonder if some were actually required or a good earner. Who do you trust? Maybe go back to petrol, at least unusual sounds would be more easily identified.
 
Just got my N46 back for the garage, heres the picture of the top guide that was causing the noise and fault issues.

Just to be clear, this is a n46 320i Petrol car with 66k on it. Garage and dealer say they get several of these a week!

 
Yes, that looks grim, I dont think the n47 engine can be checked that way. The thing I can think is if yours was diesel, you probably would have not have heard the noise until it is too late.
I'm hard pushed to tell with my 320d what's normal and what's not. It's my first diesel,and probably my last.
 
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That's where a lot of the confusion lies. I would be suspicious of any model with the n47 diesel engine from late 2007 onwards.By what I've read there does not appear to be any distinct year,mileage or model affected.my mate had to get his 2010 crankshaft and chain replaced after just 40,000 miles, others go onto 120,000miles plus. I have posted details on a earlier thread that bmw are now offering a helpline for anyone with a suspected problem to contact them on 08000935656. Bear in mind that's a help line not a life line! I'm sorry that I can't be of any further help, maybe others reading this have more answers.
 
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It's the n47 we are talking about. I believe that they are only diesel. If you have a petrol engine, should you have any mechanical problem whether is timing chain or anything else, you would be able to hear it easily as soon as any noise appears. The trouble with diesel, is that they tend to be noisier engines to start with. I dare say that bmw dealers and independent garages would pick up on unusual noises, as they know what to listen for. Maybe the whole issue has been blown up out of all proportion due to the watchdog programme. I can't believe that bmw would be the only maker with these kind of issues. I think that it's highlighted because bmw are recognised as premier cars. Watchdog seems to have a habit of knocking bmw.
 
Ok thanks, I'm not clued up on any of the 3 series after the e46 as i haven't entered that territory yet. As the N47 is only diesels it shouldn't affect him. I take the petrol engines in the E90's are ok?
 
Yes it appears so that the petrol are ok in respect to the chain. I don't know if they have any other problems. I guess if they do, they would be no worse than any other make of car. I haven't heard anything detrimental on the petrol. The only thing about the e90 is that most of the range are diesel, so may be more difficult to find, I wish on hindsight that I had bought petrol. My e90 is my first diesel and probably my last. Not because of any potential problems, but I hate the sound of the Diesel engines, after the smoothness of the petrols I've had in the past.
 
If you think about the number of 320d and 520d cars that have been sold there must be immense amounts of these engines around all working perfectly happily. This is no consolation whatsoever if yours happens to throw its chain, but I don't think this problem can reasonably be described as 'common'. It's just nasty when it does happen. However, so is your auto-box giving up after 100K miles and nobody seems to be terribly surprised by that.
 
I think that you are exactly right. Timing chains have been highlighted by the media, nobody mentions as you say gearboxes and also the diesel particulate filter that needs as good blow out now and then with a long drive, then there's possible turbo problems. All of these issues are not peculiar to bmw, all other manufacturer diesels would have the same issues. It's right what you say, there must be tens of thousands of these engines going well. The trouble is, it is only the faults that are highlighted and not the good things.
 
Son - agreed that people only ever highlight the negatives and you rarely get praise for something that just works.

Having said that, I bet you a vast number (no stats to back this up...) of 320d and 520d are company cars. If I had a car with the N47 gremlins I have now, I wouldn't waste my time kicking up a stink about it, as it would be owned by the lease company and not funded/maintained by me as a company car driver. I wonder how many people who have these cars on lease have simply adopted the live with it attitude?

I had hoped to keep the car for 10 years and being a personal car, expensive short lived parts are not what I was hoping for.
 
theres plenty of more reliable cars out there that dont have iffy timing chains and cost over 30k new!! so why would anybody buy one and fuel BMW's denial of the fault?

anybody who sez just buy one and live with it or get a warranty is a fookin moron!! and playing right into the hands of BMW and their design f+ck up and denial..

ive owned my 330 over 10 years now with no warrantys or anything after the initial manufacturers ran out with no worries wotsoever. and thats the way it should be on a car that was once 30k!! i had and still have absolute confidence in its engine and construction..not wondering if it is or isn't gonna grenade and empty my wallet and idiotically buying an expensive warranty for a known fault just in case it does or dosent grenade? knowingly buying such a car when it has such a known dodgy foible to start with is a nonsence and a waste of hard earned lolly IMO..:shifty:

like i said vote with ya feet and buy summat else out there that dosent have such a dodgy weight hanging over its head there's plenty of choice out there..

or just keep fueling BMW's profits while denying the fault and leaving yaselves with a potential self inflicted nightmare..

ask yaself whose the total mug?... you? or BMW?...

if America loved BMW N47 diesels like we do here do you think BMW would be getting away with all this denial and 1 one way traffic right now?

WOULD THEY F-CK LIKE:sarcastic
 
I bought mine at 1 year old with 7000 miles on the clock in 2009. If I had known about the problem at the time, or if the problem was known at the time, I would have gone for the 3 litre petrol. At the moment I don't have any unusual noises, but will it happen? I don't know. I just hope it doesn't. I have 30,000 on the clock at the moment, with regular oil changes. Although that doesn't give much peace of mind. I am not in a financial position to change the car, so I am stuck with it. I will be making a trip to my dealer to see what they say. As you say, I am not prepared to start forking out for extended warranties etc.:
 
I bought mine at 1 year old with 7000 miles on the clock in 2009. If I had known about the problem at the time, or if the problem was known at the time, I would have gone for the 3 litre petrol. At the moment I don't have any unusual noises, but will it happen? I don't know. I just hope it doesn't. I have 30,000 on the clock at the moment, with regular oil changes. Although that doesn't give much peace of mind. I am not in a financial position to change the car, so I am stuck with it. I will be making a trip to my dealer to see what they say. As you say, I am not prepared to start forking out for extended warranties etc.:
I'd sell it... although your not in a financial position to change the car, your going to be in an even worse financial position when/if it goes. Sell that for a petrol and you should have change in your pocket. The change in your pocket could get you a little run around while you look for a petrol...
 
It's looks that you may be right. Since my last post, I contacted bmw customer services, and they have put me in touch with our local bmw dealer who I bought the car off. They are having it in next tuesday to check it out. It will depend on the outcome of that as to what we end up doing. I'm quite surprised that they have agreed to look at it, considering its three years out of warranty. Maybe bmw are finally taking notice of criticism. Just maybe, but I won't hold my breath. The best of this whole saga is that I traded my 3 year old Honda Jazz, for this looking for better reliability, after the Honda was on its third engine since I had it new, replaced by Honda with no hassle. The jazz had 24000 miles when I sold it. Maybe I should have bough the honda accord. At least honda didn't quibble , unlike bmw.Thanks for your input, that's appreciated.
 
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I have been to my dealer with my slightly rattlling chain, after a week, bmw have decided to offer a "goodwill" gesture and fit a completely modified crank sprockets and chain etc, with a 2 year warranty. if I pay 60%of the labour which Is ÂŁ1200. Apparently, this appears to have the sprocket detachable from the crank. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the system as fitted in the new 3 series. With regards to your 2011 car, according to my dealer, he says that later cars such as yours have a different assembly. In your case , yours should be still under warranty so you should be ok. Mine is coming up to 5 years so have decided to pay part of the labour, as it's still,only 30,000 and immaculate. It would certainly pay to pop to your dealer and ask them to check it.I hope that this helps.
 
I believe that you have the n47 engine which can be affected. My experience with bmw customer service wasn't very helpful. They would admit nothing. If you are concerned,it may pay to go to your dealer.( My dealer has been brilliant) and ask them to check it. Although, I have info from my dealer that from early 2009 they were modified. I would check the plate on the bonnet lid which will state the month and year manufacture. Don't be fooled by the registration.
My chain was found to be faulty and is in now being sorted with bmw. I just have to pay ÂŁ1200 towards the labour, the parts total ÂŁ3800 which bmw are calling "goodwill" payment. My 320d was manufactured in September 2008. I hope that this is of some help.
 
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