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The EGR cooler recall was due to a safety issue (fire). It's naïve to think BMW do recalls for the good of the customer i.e to save on repair costs.
i never said they did recalls for the good of the customer, i was implying they would do a recall if an issue was big enough, i assume they won't see the Aisin gearbox as a big enough issue until thousands are reported and they certainly won't admit their servicing requirements are wrong.
 
no the car should be stationery, level and up on stands/jacks, run the engine and operate the gearbox in all gears and neutral for a few minutes, all this does is mix the old ATF with the new, essentially watering down the old ATF with all the drains and refills, most recommend 3 refills but i felt better at 4. you will need 20l to do the job. your gearbox should have been done max 30,000.
look up images of your gearbox online and you will see the drain plug set up, also a sensor on the top of the box needs to be removed to refill
no idea why garages won't do this, as an ex breakdown patrol i have done this twice at the side of the road for Members,not easy but doable
Just had the fluid changed, used ISTA to reset the adaptations but cannot find an option to reset the oil service counter - does that matter? Assuming it will take a few trips for the box to 're-learn' and settle down. The guy in the gearbox place asked me if I knew I had a problem with it engaging Gear 7 (I do as i get code 4204F1 - Gear Ratio Monitoring, gear 7: Clutch C2 or C3 open incorrectly) - he said likely to be a control unit issue. not hopeful but lets see what the next few days hold!!
 
Just had the fluid changed, used ISTA to reset the adaptations but cannot find an option to reset the oil service counter - does that matter? Assuming it will take a few trips for the box to 're-learn' and settle down. The guy in the gearbox place asked me if I knew I had a problem with it engaging Gear 7 (I do as i get code 4204F1 - Gear Ratio Monitoring, gear 7: Clutch C2 or C3 open incorrectly) - he said likely to be a control unit issue. not hopeful but lets see what the next few days hold!!
i use a launch euro tab 3 to reset the gb, sorry i can't speak for ista, i assume at least 3 drains and refills done, a bit pointless if just 1 drain, you should notice a difference right away, should be smoother and faster gear changes etc, realy hope it works for (y)
 
Yeah, I've seen on multiple forums that the "Lifetime" ATF claimed by BMW is completely bogus. Unfortunately, I was mislead by the BMW reps as I am pretty sure I enquired upon this years ago. They also said that its lifetime and doesn't need to be changed unless if you fix the gearbox. Nonetheless, I think if there's enough people for a collective letter to BMW AG, it might work out. You never know but I guess its good to give it a try. And even if they decide to completely ignore the issue or give a generic reply, it would give us even clearer insight into how they operate as a business. It's just unfortunate that after 21 years of driving bimmers, I have sadly lost confidence in their brand. But thanks for your reply and ideas, I might just end up fixing the gearbox at a 3rd party for cheap and sell the car immediately if I can't gather enough people for the collective letter..

Cheers
 
Yeah, I've seen on multiple forums that the "Lifetime" ATF claimed by BMW is completely bogus. Unfortunately, I was mislead by the BMW reps as I am pretty sure I enquired upon this years ago. They also said that its lifetime and doesn't need to be changed unless if you fix the gearbox. Nonetheless, I think if there's enough people for a collective letter to BMW AG, it might work out. You never know but I guess its good to give it a try. And even if they decide to completely ignore the issue or give a generic reply, it would give us even clearer insight into how they operate as a business. It's just unfortunate that after 21 years of driving bimmers, I have sadly lost confidence in their brand. But thanks for your reply and ideas, I might just end up fixing the gearbox at a 3rd party for cheap and sell the car immediately if I can't gather enough people for the collective letter..

Cheers
You can count me in. I have a fairly lengthy complaint in with BMW Finance after I got rebuffed by BMW UK. I have found after sales documentation on the Aisin EU website that directly contradicts the lifetime fill assertion, they even say it should be swapped every 20km oe 2 years to 'prevent major repair' (in their words). I moved from Mercedes to BMW in 2020 and have had nothing but trouble - my 730d cost £6k in repairs to door lock mechanism, 2 replacement air suspension struts and compressor (bought extended warranty thankfully), the wifes X2 I've already spent £2500 on various problems and now this gear box issue, I bought a 745Le in August last year and now the charging port flap wont open or the charging cable gets stuck and I'm having intermittent issues with the fuel flap not opening - but at totally inconvenient times. It's all just hassle I can do without given we are pretty much down to 1 car. My E-Class Merc went forever with zero issues bar the usual sensors and bits and bobs. I am generally not happy with BMW so happy to join a group complaint.
 
Yeah, I've seen on multiple forums that the "Lifetime" ATF claimed by BMW is completely bogus. Unfortunately, I was mislead by the BMW reps as I am pretty sure I enquired upon this years ago. They also said that its lifetime and doesn't need to be changed unless if you fix the gearbox. Nonetheless, I think if there's enough people for a collective letter to BMW AG, it might work out. You never know but I guess its good to give it a try. And even if they decide to completely ignore the issue or give a generic reply, it would give us even clearer insight into how they operate as a business. It's just unfortunate that after 21 years of driving bimmers, I have sadly lost confidence in their brand. But thanks for your reply and ideas, I might just end up fixing the gearbox at a 3rd party for cheap and sell the car immediately if I can't gather enough people for the collective letter..

Cheers
how many have you got or can get for a collective letter ? i only ask as i believe you will need hundreds to make any sort of impact, but you will also need people with the same faults and cause.
i believe in the grand scheme of things that these Aisin gearbox faults are not as many as some believe and i am happy to be proved wrong but need to see verified numbers, what i would like to see though is BMW adding gearboxes, auto and manual, diffs etc to the service schedule, they currently dont because they pander to fleet buyers and love to [ as others do ] boast of long service intervals, anyway that would be one letter i would put my name to, but regardless i wish you success in get your car sorted, i feel and understand your frustration............B
 
You can count me in. I have a fairly lengthy complaint in with BMW Finance after I got rebuffed by BMW UK. I have found after sales documentation on the Aisin EU website that directly contradicts the lifetime fill assertion, they even say it should be swapped every 20km oe 2 years to 'prevent major repair' (in their words). I moved from Mercedes to BMW in 2020 and have had nothing but trouble - my 730d cost £6k in repairs to door lock mechanism, 2 replacement air suspension struts and compressor (bought extended warranty thankfully), the wifes X2 I've already spent £2500 on various problems and now this gear box issue, I bought a 745Le in August last year and now the charging port flap wont open or the charging cable gets stuck and I'm having intermittent issues with the fuel flap not opening - but at totally inconvenient times. It's all just hassle I can do without given we are pretty much down to 1 car. My E-Class Merc went forever with zero issues bar the usual sensors and bits and bobs. I am generally not happy with BMW so happy to join a group complaint.
a group complaint will need to be very specific, a few people with gearbox complaints unless proven to be identical will be denied, personally i would like to see BMW reduce not only their service intervals [ not just BMW ] but also add service intervals for autobox's, manual box's and diff's etc, sadly though i dont think there is enough vehicles with major problems to make BMW sit up, realistically for every one with an issue there are thousands that have no issues at least within warranty periods anyway, sometimes in life we are in for a beating without recourse and all we can do as consumers is try and help each other, big buisness doesnt care.
i used to work in a technical dept of a big breakdown organisation, we would be sent technical service bulletins from various makers and give feedback on roadside repair possibilities or even prevention solutions, i learned early on the only makers that gave a damn were Japanese and Korean and even then only up to a point. so really unless there are big numbers involved plus media/news outlets then we dont have much of a hope apart from forums like this where we can put our heads together .....B
P.S sorry to sound like a defeatist, but it is what it is :(
 
a group complaint will need to be very specific, a few people with gearbox complaints unless proven to be identical will be denied, personally i would like to see BMW reduce not only their service intervals [ not just BMW ] but also add service intervals for autobox's, manual box's and diff's etc, sadly though i dont think there is enough vehicles with major problems to make BMW sit up, realistically for every one with an issue there are thousands that have no issues at least within warranty periods anyway, sometimes in life we are in for a beating without recourse and all we can do as consumers is try and help each other, big buisness doesnt care.
i used to work in a technical dept of a big breakdown organisation, we would be sent technical service bulletins from various makers and give feedback on roadside repair possibilities or even prevention solutions, i learned early on the only makers that gave a damn were Japanese and Korean and even then only up to a point. so really unless there are big numbers involved plus media/news outlets then we dont have much of a hope apart from forums like this where we can put our heads together .....B
P.S sorry to sound like a defeatist, but it is what it is :(
totally agree... The angle really is that BMW contradicts the service recommendations of the gear box manufacturer which then increases the risks that something will go wrong with the gearbox. As I have mentioned before BMW are quick to say no if their service schedule has not been adhered to so why should this be any different. That is the position I have put to BMW Finance. Imagine though Bruce that you weren't as knowledgable as you were and ended up with a 6-10k bill when a simple drain and fill process sorted it - how many others have spent 000's unnecessarily. The BMW mechanics just follow a test pack using ISTA and if the recommendation is to replace the gear box then that is what it is - no investigation/inspection of the issue. Having ran through it there is no mention of replacing the fluid only a fluid levelling exercise, if that step doesn't work then its replace the transmission :(
 
totally agree... The angle really is that BMW contradicts the service recommendations of the gear box manufacturer which then increases the risks that something will go wrong with the gearbox. As I have mentioned before BMW are quick to say no if their service schedule has not been adhered to so why should this be any different. That is the position I have put to BMW Finance. Imagine though Bruce that you weren't as knowledgable as you were and ended up with a 6-10k bill when a simple drain and fill process sorted it - how many others have spent 000's unnecessarily. The BMW mechanics just follow a test pack using ISTA and if the recommendation is to replace the gear box then that is what it is - no investigation/inspection of the issue. Having ran through it there is no mention of replacing the fluid only a fluid levelling exercise, if that step doesn't work then its replace the transmission :(
exactly, and it is happening all the time and thats where all the real numbers are, but they are hidden by customers ignorance and misplaced trust, its shocking but has been going on for ever. the one thing in your favour at the moment is your car is on finance so technically it's not your car, not sure of the specifics but there is something where you can refuse to pay for an unusable car and the finance company takes on the fight, it is in their interest, i forget the whole in and outs, but good luck, i genuinly hope you get a good resolution
 
Thanks all for your insightful response. So far, I have 3-4 people on forums with the same interest on a group complaint letter. I think we should aim for around 15-20 people with the exact same issue (Or pretty much similar). I also agree with @brucefraser12011962's point on media outlets. I understand it is extremely hard for BMW to budge but I guess this is the least we can do at the moment. I'll keep on posting on other forums to try to gather as much people as possible. It might take some time so please bear with me. I'll keep you updated as to how many people I've found. Thanks all
 
the sDrive is front wheel drive so its the Aisin gearbox you have, as for lasting longer without maintenance, probably driving style, luck and a good quality gearbox
Thanks. Recently I had this issue when I took my car for MOT. I now seem to remember that there was also a transmission error as well. Could this be the gearbox? After the reset the car has been working fine and no issues with the gearbox or other messages.
 
Thanks. Recently I had this issue when I took my car for MOT. I now seem to remember that there was also a transmission error as well. Could this be the gearbox? After the reset the car has been working fine and no issues with the gearbox or other messages.
the car was maybe sitting around with the ignition on and engine off, a drained battery will set off multiple fault codes, after 5 years you may also be needing a new battery. just my opinion, it's hard to diagnose remotely, if it happens again i would check the battery health and if needing replaced remember to register the new one to the ecu, it is important
 
the car was maybe sitting around with the ignition on and engine off, a drained battery will set off multiple fault codes, after 5 years you may also be needing a new battery. just my opinion, it's hard to diagnose remotely, if it happens again i would check the battery health and if needing replaced remember to register the new one to the ecu, it is important
Thanks, that makes sense.
 
i use a launch euro tab 3 to reset the gb, sorry i can't speak for ista, i assume at least 3 drains and refills done, a bit pointless if just 1 drain, you should notice a difference right away, should be smoother and faster gear changes etc, realy hope it works for (y)
So, update post fluid change. Hasn't solved the issue and is actually worse as it now wont engage any gears, just makes a loud thud and jerks and throws Gear Ratio Monitoring error codes for gears 1,2,3 and 7. It drove ok for a bit on Saturday but then gave up and I limped home in 7th gear, currently marooned on the driveway...
 
So, update post fluid change. Hasn't solved the issue and is actually worse as it now wont engage any gears, just makes a loud thud and jerks and throws Gear Ratio Monitoring error codes for gears 1,2,3 and 7. It drove ok for a bit on Saturday but then gave up and I limped home in 7th gear, currently marooned on the driveway...
sorry to hear that, i assume you will now go for a gearbox swap, ebay have a few of these gearboxes with warranted mileage and way cheaper than BMW quote
 
yes been looking this morning and contacted a few sellers, but none of them fit... seems the one I have is elusive :oops:
have a look on: https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/select
put the last 7 digits of your VIN number in the "serial number " search and you can go through and get the proper part number for your gearbox as well as any other parts on the car
 
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