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Hi,

I have a e53 2003 x5, the system has factory Bluetooth phone and sat nav and I wish to replace my broken cd changer with an iPod system.

I have an iPhone 3GS which I will use army iPod

I like the spec dock ashtray cradle so have purchased this, but.......

I don't know which iPod system to go for, as I have Bluetooth for the phone I have been told I cannot support text display from the iPod so I have dwindled the options to the dice silverline pro and the dension gateway light,

With the dice the kit is about £90, the gateway is about £120

Do I need any additional modules or cables because I have sat nav

What is the better unit can anyone help please
 

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The Gateway light should be cheaper at about £80, I think you might have found the price for a gateway 100 or 300.
I didn't know the phone kit stops the ID3 text display.

I have seen mention of SAT cable, but i think that's only for cars fitted with BMWs Sirius satellite radio.
 

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Dice Mediabridge MB1000 or the IntraveeII + KCA420i. Both will give you text on your display. Whoever told you your factory BT phone prevents you from displaying text was mistaken. The two systems are totally independent, aside from the shared audio amp in the tuner.
 

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thanks everyone, I was told that the text will be scrambled by the bT as it uses the same comms line, several expert ipod kit sellers have told me the same thing.

The dice look easy to fit
 

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The BMW iBus will not get scrambled because they share a comms line. It is a robust system of PWR, GND, iBUS that is connected to every single ECU and microchip containing module on the car. It has functions for diagnostics, power control, and every single non-essential communication message that the car carries.

Here is an example log from the iBus of some chatter between a navigation screen, the telephone and the radio.
Code:
25/04/2010 17:52:49.031:  VID  --> BMBT: RGB control: LCD_on GT
25/04/2010 17:52:49.250:  3B 05 68 4E 00 00 18
25/04/2010 17:52:49.250:  GT   --> RAD : Audio source selection
25/04/2010 17:52:50.000:  F0 04 3B 49 01 87
25/04/2010 17:52:50.000:  BMBT --> GT  : BM_Knob: Left 1 step
25/04/2010 17:52:50.593:  F0 04 3B 48 05 82
25/04/2010 17:52:50.593:  BMBT --> GT  : BM Button: BM_Knob_pressed
25/04/2010 17:52:50.718:  F0 04 3B 48 85 02
25/04/2010 17:52:50.718:  BMBT --> GT  : BM Button: BM_Knob_released
25/04/2010 17:52:56.750:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:52:56.750:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:52:57.250:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:52:57.250:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:52:57.265:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:52:57.265:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:52:59.328:  7F 04 43 AB 21 B2
25/04/2010 17:52:59.328:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="21"
25/04/2010 17:53:00.109:  7F 04 43 AB 21 B2
25/04/2010 17:53:00.109:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="21"
25/04/2010 17:53:05.687:  7F 04 43 AB FF 6C
25/04/2010 17:53:05.687:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="FF"
25/04/2010 17:53:06.765:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:53:06.765:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:07.265:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:53:07.265:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:07.265:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:53:07.265:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:53:13.703:  7F 14 C8 A2 00 00 54 31 42 20 00 06 12 10 31 00 00 00 FF FF 00 33
25/04/2010 17:53:13.703:  NAV  --> TEL : Current position: 54°31'42.2"N  6°12'10.3"W
25/04/2010 17:53:13.750:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 01 42 41 54 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2E
25/04/2010 17:53:13.750:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Town = BATH
25/04/2010 17:53:13.796:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 02 41 42 42 45 59 20 47 52 45 45 4E 3B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2F
25/04/2010 17:53:13.796:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Street = ABBEY GREEN;
25/04/2010 17:53:16.781:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:53:16.781:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:17.265:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:53:17.265:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:17.265:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:53:17.265:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:53:26.796:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:53:26.796:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:27.265:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:53:27.265:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:27.281:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:53:27.281:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:53:36.812:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:53:36.812:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:37.281:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:53:37.281:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:37.281:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:53:37.281:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:53:43.703:  7F 14 C8 A2 00 00 54 31 42 20 00 06 12 10 31 00 00 00 FF FF 00 33
25/04/2010 17:53:43.703:  NAV  --> TEL : Current position: 54°31'42.2"N  6°12'10.3"W
25/04/2010 17:53:43.750:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 01 42 41 54 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2E
25/04/2010 17:53:43.750:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Town = BATH
25/04/2010 17:53:43.796:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 02 41 42 42 45 59 20 47 52 45 45 4E 3B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2F
25/04/2010 17:53:43.796:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Street = ABBEY GREEN;
25/04/2010 17:53:46.828:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:53:46.828:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:47.281:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:53:47.281:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:47.296:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:53:47.296:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:53:47.750:  68 12 3B 23 40 30 46 4D 20 03 20 39 37 2E 34 04 20 20 20 2A
25/04/2010 17:53:47.750:  RAD  --> GT  : Display Text:  Layout=DisplayText  Flags=Bit4,CLS  F0="FM "   F3:" 97.4"   F4:"   "
25/04/2010 17:53:48.890:  68 12 3B 23 40 30 46 4D 20 03 20 39 37 2E 34 04 20 20 20 2A
25/04/2010 17:53:48.890:  RAD  --> GT  : Display Text:  Layout=DisplayText  Flags=Bit4,CLS  F0="FM "   F3:" 97.4"   F4:"   "
25/04/2010 17:53:53.093:  7F 06 C8 A9 0A 30 30 12
25/04/2010 17:53:53.093:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_phone_status Count_0
25/04/2010 17:53:53.187:  7F 06 C8 A9 03 30 30 1B
25/04/2010 17:53:53.187:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_network_request Count_0
25/04/2010 17:53:56.859:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:53:56.859:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:57.296:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:53:57.296:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:53:57.296:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:53:57.296:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:54:03.187:  7F 06 C8 A9 03 30 30 1B
25/04/2010 17:54:03.187:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_network_request Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:03.281:  7F 06 C8 A9 0A 30 30 12
25/04/2010 17:54:03.281:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_phone_status Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:06.875:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:54:06.875:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:07.312:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:54:07.312:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:07.312:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:54:07.312:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:54:13.281:  7F 06 C8 A9 03 30 30 1B
25/04/2010 17:54:13.281:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_network_request Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:13.375:  7F 06 C8 A9 0A 30 30 12
25/04/2010 17:54:13.375:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_phone_status Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:13.703:  7F 14 C8 A2 00 00 54 31 42 20 00 06 12 10 31 00 00 00 FF FF 00 33
25/04/2010 17:54:13.703:  NAV  --> TEL : Current position: 54°31'42.2"N  6°12'10.3"W
25/04/2010 17:54:13.750:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 01 42 41 54 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2E
25/04/2010 17:54:13.750:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Town = BATH
25/04/2010 17:54:13.796:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 02 41 42 42 45 59 20 47 52 45 45 4E 3B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2F
25/04/2010 17:54:13.796:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Street = ABBEY GREEN;
25/04/2010 17:54:16.890:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:54:16.890:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:17.312:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:54:17.312:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:17.328:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:54:17.328:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:54:17.718:  7F 04 43 AB 20 B3
25/04/2010 17:54:17.718:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="20"
25/04/2010 17:54:23.390:  7F 06 C8 A9 03 30 30 1B
25/04/2010 17:54:23.390:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_network_request Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:23.484:  7F 06 C8 A9 0A 30 30 12
25/04/2010 17:54:23.484:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_phone_status Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:26.906:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:54:26.906:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:27.312:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:54:27.312:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:27.328:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:54:27.328:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:54:33.484:  7F 06 C8 A9 03 30 30 1B
25/04/2010 17:54:33.484:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_network_request Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:33.578:  7F 06 C8 A9 0A 30 30 12
25/04/2010 17:54:33.578:  NAV  --> TEL : Telephone data: Current_phone_status Count_0
25/04/2010 17:54:36.921:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:54:36.921:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:37.328:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:54:37.328:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:37.328:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:54:37.328:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:54:43.703:  7F 14 C8 A2 00 00 54 31 42 20 00 06 12 10 31 00 00 00 FF FF 00 33
25/04/2010 17:54:43.703:  NAV  --> TEL : Current position: 54°31'42.2"N  6°12'10.3"W
25/04/2010 17:54:43.750:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 01 42 41 54 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2E
25/04/2010 17:54:43.750:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Town = BATH
25/04/2010 17:54:43.796:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 02 41 42 42 45 59 20 47 52 45 45 4E 3B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2F
25/04/2010 17:54:43.796:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Street = ABBEY GREEN;
25/04/2010 17:54:46.937:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:54:46.937:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:47.328:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:54:47.328:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:47.328:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:54:47.328:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:54:55.359:  F0 04 FF 48 34 77
25/04/2010 17:54:55.359:  BMBT --> LOC : BM Button: MENU_pressed
25/04/2010 17:54:55.468:  F0 04 FF 48 B4 F7
25/04/2010 17:54:55.468:  BMBT --> LOC : BM Button: MENU_released
25/04/2010 17:54:55.625:  7F 04 43 AB 21 B2
25/04/2010 17:54:55.625:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="21"
25/04/2010 17:54:56.953:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:54:56.953:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:57.328:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:54:57.328:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:54:57.343:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:54:57.343:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:55:06.968:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:55:06.968:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:07.343:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:55:07.343:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:07.343:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:55:07.343:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:55:13.703:  7F 14 C8 A2 00 00 54 31 42 20 00 06 12 10 31 00 00 00 FF FF 00 33
25/04/2010 17:55:13.703:  NAV  --> TEL : Current position: 54°31'42.2"N  6°12'10.3"W
25/04/2010 17:55:13.750:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 01 42 41 54 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2E
25/04/2010 17:55:13.750:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Town = BATH
25/04/2010 17:55:13.796:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 02 41 42 42 45 59 20 47 52 45 45 4E 3B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2F
25/04/2010 17:55:13.796:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Street = ABBEY GREEN;
25/04/2010 17:55:17.000:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:55:17.000:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:17.343:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:55:17.343:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:17.359:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:55:17.359:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:55:27.015:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:55:27.015:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:27.359:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:55:27.359:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:27.359:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:55:27.359:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:55:37.031:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:55:37.031:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:37.359:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:55:37.359:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:37.375:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:55:37.375:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:55:43.703:  7F 14 C8 A2 00 00 54 31 42 20 00 06 12 10 31 00 00 00 FF FF 00 33
25/04/2010 17:55:43.703:  NAV  --> TEL : Current position: 54°31'42.2"N  6°12'10.3"W
25/04/2010 17:55:43.750:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 01 42 41 54 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2E
25/04/2010 17:55:43.750:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Town = BATH
25/04/2010 17:55:43.796:  7F 23 C8 A4 00 02 41 42 42 45 59 20 47 52 45 45 4E 3B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2F
25/04/2010 17:55:43.796:  NAV  --> TEL : Current location: Street = ABBEY GREEN;
25/04/2010 17:55:47.046:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:55:47.046:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:47.375:  3B 03 ED 01 D4
25/04/2010 17:55:47.375:  GT   --> VID : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:47.375:  ED 04 3B 02 00 D0
25/04/2010 17:55:47.375:  VID  --> GT  : Device status ready
25/04/2010 17:55:51.593:  68 12 3B 23 43 30 46 4D 20 03 31 30 34 2E 33 04 20 20 20 35
25/04/2010 17:55:51.593:  RAD  --> GT  : Display Text:  Layout=0x43:  Flags=Bit4,CLS  F0="FM "   F3:"104.3"   F4:"   "
25/04/2010 17:55:57.078:  F0 03 68 01 9A
25/04/2010 17:55:57.078:  BMBT --> RAD : Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:57.375:  3B 03 F0 01 C9
25/04/2010 17:55:57.375:  GT   --> BMBT: Device status request
25/04/2010 17:55:57.390:  F0 04 3B 02 30 FD
25/04/2010 17:55:57.390:  BMBT --> GT  : Device status ready Bit4 Bit5
25/04/2010 17:56:00.453:  7F 04 43 AB 22 B1
25/04/2010 17:56:00.453:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="22"
25/04/2010 17:56:02.718:  7F 04 43 AB 22 B1
25/04/2010 17:56:02.718:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="22"
25/04/2010 17:56:02.890:  7F 04 43 AB 22 B1
25/04/2010 17:56:02.890:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="22"
25/04/2010 17:56:03.093:  7F 04 43 AB 22 B1
25/04/2010 17:56:03.093:  NAV  --> GTF : Remote control status, Data="22"
Here is a list of all the devices we know about that are on the iBus
Code:
Devices 
00 Broadcast, GM
08 SHD

18 CD Player

24 HKM
28 FUM

30 CCM
3B NAV, GT
3F DIA

40 FBZV
43 Menu Screen, GTF
44 EWS
46 CID
47 FMBT

50 MFL, Multi Functional Steering Wheel Buttons
51 MML
5B IHK

60 PDC
66 CDCD
68 RAD, Radio
6A DSP

70 RDC
72 SM
73 SDRS
76 CDCD
7F NAVE

80 IKE

9B MMR
9C CVM

A0 FMID
A4 ACM
A7 FHK
A8 NAVC
AC EHC

B0 SES
BB TV, NAVJ
BF LCM, Light Control Module. GLO

C0 MID, Multi Information Display
C8 Telephone

D0 Navigation Location, LKM
D7 USED BY ME: PC
D8 USED BY ME: GPS and Powercontrol Module
DA SMAD

E0 IRIS
E7 OBC Textbar, ANZV
E8 ISP
ED Lights, wipers, seat memory, TV

F0 Bordmonitor Buttons
F5 CSU
FF Broadcast, LOC
I've also attached two documents describing the iBus. What I am trying to intimate to you is that the system is very well defined, and that you have a telephone does not make it incompatible with well designed devices that replace and imitate the CD Changer to add iPod support.

Those devices pretending to be the CDC and supplying faux CD text, so long as they are well made, will not cause your phone to stop working, nor will they produce garbled text on the display.

A DICE Mediabridge MB1000 or IntraveeII+KCA420i (if budget permits) is my recommendation becuase I know they do not crash the iBus. Whoever told you that certain products will produce garbled text may know that particular product is a poor design.

This is not a peculiarity with the car fitted with a telephone, merely bad programming on behalf of that aftermarket supplier.

(Perhaps they do something absurd like pretend to be the CDC for music controls and pretend to be the TEL for track data. This is the wrong way to do things, and the Mediabridge and Intravee at least do not do that.)

You can find videos on youtube to see the difference in the interfaces that show why IVII commands the higher price.

I hope this puts your mind to rest that it is possible to have BMW phone and a CDC ipod replacement, without question.
 
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