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Discussion starter · #81 ·
Change all 8 of the inlet manifold seals- no sealant is required anywhere when doing this job but be sure to copperslip the exhaust manifold bolts and the injectors upon refitting. If any injectors stick you could always revert to the underside method that MJOJOM uses. Cast iron manifolds do tend to go quite cheap in the UK but are very few and far between indeed. They cost more from Germany but I think it is more well known that the change away from the tinfoil one can be made over there.

A jet wash is probably the best method for cleaning the manifold but I was lucky in that mine came quite clean anyway. I have never even considered tighening the fuel line nuts with a torque wrench-too loose and they leak (too tight and the pipe fractures though!).

If the MAF seems to be functioning ok I would steer clear of cleaning it. In any case the MAF is easy to remove and replace at a later date if you wish. You might want to consider new glow plugs too but again there is a worry about them being seized in place....

Working from the top I think I would describe this job as time consuming rather than difficult although I admit it is a worry that the injectors could stick.

Good luck, take some pics and share if you get a chance
 
If an injector does stick I will have to back out of it. And I am looking forward to taking this approach to it though because I get experience with the upper engine parts. I have done a lot of reading this week especially around the injectors and have a pretty good idea of what to expect now and some of the various problems that there can be.

This post really helped to de-mystify the fuel injectors. Cleaning E39 530D Injectors. Read a few other and you get to understand some of the issues that you might encounter.

I am also waiting to get INPA operational. Old laptop power supply gave out while setting up INPA so waiting for new one from ebay. Once I have this I was going to try to read the status of the glow plugs and see if any have problems.
 
Discussion starter · #83 ·
One thing I will say, if you do decide to remove any glow plugs use a "wobble bar" type extension or a UJ on a deep socket. This is to make sure no side loading is applied to the glow plug and will greatly reduce any chance of breaking it off in the head.
One other thing is to bear in mind they run at around 5 volts so don't go hooking them up to a car battery!

You could also keep squirting WD40 at the injectors up until the day you do the job.....
 
hi guys my e60 seems to have the same problem smell of fumes inside car on start up low on power below 2.5k revs

been working on my car today took some pictures of the manifold with the camera and after looking at the pics i see two big cracks on the section were the turbo bolts on the manifold

this was replaced by previous owner in 2007 surprised how quick they crack crap design

the only problem i have is i have got 10 nuts off and 2 have slightly rounded off i cant seem to get these out to remove the manifold i have removed all injectors, rover cover etc.. so have the space the only long sockets i have are 9mm and 10mm the 10mm spins and 9mm doesnt fit

any idea on how to remove these two last nuts if any one is local or has a special tool i would appreciate it

im in kent uk the UK near dartford

i would be interested in a E39 manifold if any one can help me source one

once i get my manifold off if the damage isnt too bad il get it welded does it need to be tig welded or mig welded il have to take it to a welder as i have never welded or have the tools

thanks
 
Welding is a waste of time. Lots of people have tried it and the manifold just cracks somewhere else within a few hundred miles. One they start to crack they've had it.

To get the rounded manifold nut off you can get special nut removing sockets. They have a sort of spiral cutting design that grabs the nut. The nuts are soft so this approach worked brilliantly for me.

I used this set:

Irwin 5 Piece Bolt Grip Nut Remover Set | Screwfix.com

Although it was on a different car so I can't be 100% it will fit the nuts perfectly on a 530d.
 
thanks for the reply mate im getting a E39 one now seen quite a few cracks on mine which was brought from bmw in 2007 ant worth putting a steel one back on

managed to get the nuts off used a similar socket that has 2 extra grooves in each side managed to grip and remove the bolts
 
I have just completed this job and bundled in a few other jobs (changed main thermostat and cleaned EGR valve and inlet manifold) at the same time.

Using kwempe's write up and doing LOTS of research about removing injectors and all the other tasks associated with this DIY.

There were a few issues I encountered along the way and some useful resources so I thought I would share these.

Removing the inlet manifold

I found this post really useful for detailed description of how to get to the point where the inlet manifold is off.. clicky

The first problem I encountered was that two of the strut brace bolts were already rounded off. Last people to have this off were a very well know BMW indy and I cant believe for the sake of a couple of quid each they dont just put new ones back in after they have mashed them up. Very sad. I had already ordered a new set after inspecting the condition of the ones in place before starting this job. The one on the suspension mount was the first one I attempted and was pretty easy to drill out and use an extractor on. First time I had used extractors and they are really effective. The second one was at the back, not so easy here because the trim on the wiper housing doesn't allow easy access with a drill. I found some quick release drill bits at B&Q that are longer than normal drill bits and allowed me to drill into the bolt. The other two came out with torx driver on a breaker bar.

Once the inlet manifold was off check you have all the nuts bolts and washers. I was missing one sealing washer and so had to hunt for it to reassure myself that it had not fallen down the port which although least likely of cases, is a possibility. Couldn't see it anywhere, took the aero covers off the underside of the car still couldnt find it, took everything out of garage and swept floor, still couldnt find it. Eventually I had to buy an inspection camera from Maplins for ÂŁ100 to look into the ports. The one I got had a 10mm head and only just got down there, dont get one bigger or it wont fit if you need to look into the ports. With the inspection camera it took 10 mins to look inside all the ports. It wasn't in there in the end, so could carry on with the job and ordered a replacement seating washer. That little ÂŁ3 piece cost me the whole day and 100 quid for the camera. Useful little tool though for when you drop stuff in all those nooks and crannies on these cars. After poking around in the inlet ports I used a piece of garden hose gaffer taped to a vacuum cleaner to suck out any goo I may have dislodged while poking around.

Removing the injectors

I took Kwempe's advice and WD40'd my injectors a few times in the week leading up to the work. I used mole grips to gain a purchase on the injectors and they all came out ok, not easy and the first one is quite scary and one seemed more stuck than the rest and for a moment thought it wasn't going to come out. They all twisted easily enough, but they need a quite a pull to get them to come up like there is a vacuum holding them in. I also found it easier to remove the oil breather to give me more room for the back two injectors.

I put each injector into clean freezer bags labelled the bags and put them somewhere safe.

Originally I used masking tape to cover the open connections on the rail. This was a pretty bad mistake as the diesel mixes with the adhesive on the tape to form a goo that had me worried for a bit. In the end found that little squares of bin liner held on with small wire ties was a good clean solution for capping the rail nozzles.

I also studied the TIS pages for removing and reinstalling injectors and the accompanying torque settings. I got myself the special tool described for injector nuts, it was ÂŁ25, but it did allow me to torque the nuts back on at 9nm for my car (Please check the settings for yours they may not be the same). 9nm is not much at all and as many inexperienced mechanics, I had a tendency to overtighten things and would have overtightened these for sure. ÂŁ25 to know that they are tightened perfectly and evenly is fair enough I think, for such a key part of the system.

The only mishap I had when removing the injectors was when the pliers slipped on one and it clipped the edge off the plastic top. Luckily this has no real function and a bit of superglue put it back where it was. I used 10 x 10 sheets of household bin liners to plug the injector ports as there are no fibres to float around from polythene and this worked really well.

Phew that was the injectors out!

BTW on the subject of torque wrenches, I initially wasted a bit of money buying cheap. Initially I bought a Silverline for ÂŁ20, that ended up being ÂŁ20 wasted because I dont feel I can trust it. I then bought a nifty AC Delco digital torque adapter for ÂŁ50, that promised 5 - 200 NM, quite a claim. This mashed the bolts on my tailgate glass at 20NM when I was repairing the wiring harness because in fact it is really only accurate between 20% and 100% of its range. Thanks AC Delco!! Once you understand it is really a 40 - 200 NM tool it's OK. It doesn't like the cold weather and I am not sure how long its gonna last really. Then for a while I got carried away looking at used Snap-On digital torque wrenches on ebay but then thought its all about trust with a torque wrench and could I trust a used one without getting it calibrated first. Finally bought a Norbar TT50 and a Norbar TT20. These are lovely tools. Simple trustworthy and nice to use. About ÂŁ70 each on Amazon.

Removing engine cover

Again TIS provides some of the detail on this task, and specifying a particular order that the various nuts and bolts should be removed in. Once all the nuts and bolts are undone comes the task of peeling the thing off. Took me a while looking at it and poking around and gradually increasing my courage to give it the force needed. What I found worked ok for me. Standing at the drivers side of the engine, left hand at the far left corner gave a decent place to get a purchase on the thing and gradually increased the lifting pressure and it finally broke the seal. Then it was easy enough to work a way around until it was all lifted. Then I was caught by the nasty little male torx bolt, which kwempe mentions which I had not been able to find until now. It is simply holding a cable guide. You will find it at the drivers side back corner of the engine cover, between engine cover and bulkhead. Very awkward to get to even with a 1/4 socket while the cover is in place, easier actually when it is half off.

After removing the engine cover I covered the exposed engine with bin liners and tucked them in under the rail.

Removing the old manifold

Self explanatory task. The only problem I had here was that in two cases the stud came out instead of the nut coming off. I tried various things to then get the nut off the stud, including a nut splitter, but eventually just bought two new ones and screwed them in. They go in hand tight and then put one nut on and then another nut screwed on against this one and that allows you to gently tighten with a socket or spanner.

Fitting new manifold

This was again pretty easy. I got a used cast iron one and so had to do a bit of a clean. I got some gasket remover from amazon and used a plastic windscreen ice scraper to scrape off. Blasted the inside of the manifold with a jet washer and let it dry. Obviously new gaskets all round. Bit of copper grease on the studs, and TIS recommends replacing the nuts which I did. Tightened to 20NM starting at the centre nuts and working towards the outer nuts. No recommendation in TIS for replacing manifold to turbo bolts but I did this anyway Tightened to 55NM. For the sake of a few quid is feels nicer having new nuts and bolts.

Replacing cylinder head cover

Mine went on and off three times before I felt I got it right. TIS states that you should use a small amount of sealant in the corners by the vacuum thingy (Sorry too knackered to look up what its really called). Loctite 5910 is very close to the BMW stuff that is actually not available.

CHECK, CHECK, CHECK again that you havent got anything in the way when you replace the cylinder head cover. I will loose all cred when I tell you this but after standing back to admire my handywork after initial replacement of this item I realised I had the bonnet release cable running from one side of it to the other...what a TW*T!! and that does say TWIT. I had the bonnet release cables lying around because I was also doing the main thermostat in case you are wondering.

There is no torque specified for this, but I found by gradually increasing the torque setting on the wrench that 16 NM tightened enough to compress the rubber grommets so they sit comfortably in the seating that is moulded into the cover. I used a torque wrench to get even tightness across all of the bolts which is specified in TIS.

Replacing the injectors

I gave the injector body a spray of carb cleaner and wipe down. I used a dishwashing type sponge and some carb cleaner. Then greased the body with engine oil. TIS suggests you should use new copper crush seals to reinstall the injectors again. I used a tiny flat head electronics screw driver to loosen the old crush seals from the injectors. Then replaced with new ones. These are a pretty tight fit onto the injector. After doing a couple by hand I found that using a deep socket (11 mm or thereabouts) was a good way to push the new seals onThe socket allows you to apply force evenly around the seal as you push. There was small amounts of debris in the injector ports which i hoovered out with a piece of clear plastic screen washer tubing again from halfords. I also replaced the rubber o rings.

As kwempe says, make sure the collar is the right way up, I spent quite a while wondering why the injectors wouldn't tighten down anywhere near until I realised what I had done. :hihi

Once I realised what was wrong, I flipped it over and followed the TIS instruction of gradually tightening each nut alternately up to the specified torque. Replace the top fuel pipe on the injectors at this point but not the electrical connections, they go on after the inlet manifold. Phew that was the injectors back in. A quick check that I hadn't got the bonnet release cable in one of the collars or something equally stupid and a cup of tea :thumbsup

Replace the injector pipes from the rail to the injector, checking that they had seated before hand tightening the nut. Finally tightening them up to the specified torque (9NM for my car).

Replacing the inlet manifold

During this whole adventure I found that this pick up tool by Silverline was just so useful for loads of things including over and above its intended use of recovering the bits that you drop. The best 2 quid I have ever spent, I totally love this thing. It was really useful when it came to replacing the nuts on the inlet manifold, and especially that one at the back that Kwempe illustrates in one of his photos. The tool allows you to hold the nut, and easily insert it into those tiny spaces then a few twists of the tool and it is on the thread then just release. Makes this kind of thing effortless. I also used it to grip small bits of sponge and inserted it into the fuel injector ports and pulled it out with a gentle twisting action to clean up the walls of the ports :stirthepot and it worked brilliantly although I am not sure that this is recommended.

Again no torque specified for the inlet manifold nuts, but I used a torque wrench to ensure even tightness.

I cleaned out the manifold and EGR valve before replacing them, however I ended up buying a new EGR valve in the end because I broke mine. After I cleaned it up, I was not sure if the valve should open if you push it. Mine did not open even under strong pressure. I had googled it but could not find any answer. I was on my way down to the very polite parts dept at Coopers in Cobham and thought I would ask one of those guys. The BMW technician there had a poke at it and said give it a knock and it should open up. When I got home I tried giving it a few knocks and it wouldn't budge, eventually it was a bit damaged and still not opening, I was beginning to suspect it shouldn't open. I ordered a new one and when I went to pick it up me and the parts guy opened the new one and sure enough it wouldn't open. They knocked me 10% off as a sweetener. I knew I shouldn't have trusted the tech there at the time should have been patient and asked on the forum so considered it my own fault too. Anyway another ÂŁ130 quid down but getting close to completion.

Finishing off and restarting

When putting air intakes back together, I used vaseline to line the sealing surfaces as described in TIS. I changed the air filter for a new one. Cleaned all the various bits before putting them back and it was all looking and feeling like a good job.

The words "triple check all connections" from kwempe's post were ringing around my head as I put all the final hoses and connections back. I triple checked everything and had a break and came back and checked again, as I was putting the battery cable back I decided to go back and check again then came back and did the battery. When it came to restarting I had an active steering fault come up as I do every time I disconnect the battery, it goes away after a couple of starts usually. When restarting leave the key at position 2 for 20 - 30 secs to let the fuel come through. A few cranks and she was off hurray!! :D Got a round of applause from wifey and our five year old and I was feeling very pleased with myself.

Had a slight panic moment as there was a dodgy little squeaking sound coming from front of the engine in the region of the turbo, but I thought this would be just coolant on the one of the belts from the stat change and after a long drive the noise went away.

I think the job I have done is better than would be done by an indy or stealer. Although at a few points I was beginning to doubt my abilities, in the end I thing I did a really good job. I have to say that for a complete novice like me it took a lot of research, buying a lot of tools and actually a lot of time to do, but now I am not a complete novice, I now have a good set of tools and I understand my car a lot more and have a much cleaner air intake system. Car is feeling good and on top of all that I can now use the heater without getting gassed.

There is probably one thing that I should have done and that is to send the injectors off to get them cleaned. Someone like injector tune do a service by post for 20 odd quid each. Maybe I will pop them out later in the summer and send them off.

Thanks for the original post Kwempe.
 
Hi everyone!
I am just half way on this very same task!
I have removed everything, and I am now awaiting for the cast iron manifold bought on ebay...
I should get it tuesday, and I should be off work the last three days of nest week, where I am planing to start put all back together.
As I said on my introduction I have just bought this car, E60 530d, I was aware of this problem, (and some other ones... lol), but that justify the deal I have made....
To remove stuff out is not that complicated, in my opinion...
I will try to post some pictures when I start to fit everything...
Tomorrow I will be painting my new PDC sensors for the rear bumper, none was working, I got them from ebay as well, ÂŁ27 each, not that bad if you get a quote from the dealer...
I also had to sort my fob, only lasted for a week, battery contacts broken, but now I have put it back into a flip key... quite nice and different...
 
hi kwempe, i wish i was talented like you
i had a 2004 530d with a cracked manifold it costed me
ÂŁ500 to fix with the part alone costing me ÂŁ350 ish as much i can remember. and paid ÂŁ150 for the labour at a friends garage
as mentioned above it starts from a nasty smell coming through the vents at cold morning starts.
 
Today as i said on my last post, I have been cleaning a few things, so everything is ready to go back into the car when the new cast iron manifold arrives...



After the cleaning process...


I had to use the pressure washer to clean the inside of the inlet manifold...

Oh, and i have painted my new pdc sensors, to fit... whenever I have the time... lol


Pictures of the cracked manifold tomorrow... too tired know...
 
Discussion starter · #98 ·
Today as i said on my last post, I have been cleaning a few things, so everything is ready to go back into the car when the new cast iron manifold arrives
Looking good so far.
Did you keep each injector labled for the cylinder it came from? They are match and have a different number on each one so you can't put number one injector in number 5 etc etc?

You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned a vacuum while cleaning the ports on the head, I taped a smaller bore pipe onto my hoover and positioned it in each port I was cleaning. You can see the valve train, so you can rotate the engine a little at a time to make sure the valves are shut for whichever cylinder you clean. The other option is to stuff tissue down each one, clean the port and suck the whole lot back out, tissue and dirt, into the hoover.
 
Looking good so far.
Did you keep each injector labled for the cylinder it came from? They are match and have a different number on each one so you can't put number one injector in number 5 etc etc?
Hi
Yes, i did, they are are in labeled plastic bags... just wondering if i should send them to clean the nozzels... the cheapest quote i have is ÂŁ15 per injector...:eek

Your ideia is not bad at all!
Cleaning them is the task for tomorrow, so keep you sugestion in mind and see how it goes...
They are really dirty, some of them have a good 3-4mm of crap...
Will post the results, it might help others....
 
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