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    DIS is easier to use, it leads you through test plans etc. Inpa is what DIS calls expert mode where you just read the codes of the module your concerned with.

    I've said it many times, but GT1 is useful but it's slow and I prefer Inpa 99% of the time. Progman holds no interest for me but if you do use it I'd look at maintaining the battery voltage so you don't brick your ecu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dailydoggy View Post
    im here for the idiot and the INPA virgin of the forum...
    Actuallly this is really useful for a full range of people. I could, quite literally, build the interface.

    The trouble is there is that much confusion. For example a lot of referring to anything with the 16 pin "d shape" connector as ODB2 even though it pre-dates it.

    Think is, quite often you just need a few key facts. Becoming an expert in interfaces just takes up time that would be better spent just reading off codes and fixing the car, and that's the minimum, at worst could cost a few quid on things that don't work.

    So anyway, cheers for the thread


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    basically its aimed at the range of cars realistically that we are most concerned with these days ( mid 90's till present), its either full ADS or crossover ADS to OBD2 cars,or full OBD2 compliant cars, depending on the country of origin these can vary some at what point which had what system, till i think 2007 when some started to go over to DCAN in the UK at least..
    330i sport a big chunk of berlin...

     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dailydoggy View Post
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    Right, so I have two cars 20 pin socket only and pin 15 populated on both.

    I have the pre-requisite battered laptop with COM port. However, from the above it sounds like I may as well get a peake research tool if the cheap interfaces don't read all?
    AFAIK peake tools only connect to the engine DME and read BMW engine fault codes so you are no better off...i think even the cheapo 20 round to 16 pin adaptors will do that..
    I think the trick here is I'm not obsessed with getting access to all modules.

    If I can use a VAG KKL on a 9pin COM port with a 16 to 20 pin adapter and get the engine alone for the £12 - £15 that would be fine and perfectly good value for money. Any other modules would be a bonus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by E36Coupe328 View Post
    I think the trick here is I'm not obsessed with getting access to all modules.

    If I can use a VAG KKL on a 9pin COM port with a 16 to 20 pin adapter and get the engine alone for the £12 - £15 that would be fine and perfectly good value for money. Any other modules would be a bonus.
    i maybe wrong here but if your car is 20 pin ADS you would have to connect with your adaptor interface cable in ADS mode in INPA, and USB VAgcom ect ect interfaces will not connect in ADS mode, so you will still need a standard serial INPA interface and adaptor...

    USB interfaces you connect with INPA in OBD mode but your connecting via the ADS socket not the 16 pin OBD2 in the cabin..
    330i sport a big chunk of berlin...

     
     

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    You won't be able to talk to your 325, your 328 would probably work. There was something funny with the early 328's, the US cars which did get full OBD2 compatability got it in 1996.

    As your running LPG there will be error codes! Not that it's a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dailydoggy View Post
    i maybe wrong here but if your car is 20 pin ADS you would have to connect with your adaptor interface cable in ADS mode in INPA, and USB VAgcom ect ect interfaces will not connect in ADS mode, so you will still need a standard serial INPA interface and adaptor...
    Yeah, the earlier E36's need the serial ADS interfaces. The later E36's you can use the KKL lead in obd mode to the 20 pin adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian S View Post
    Yeah, the earlier E36's need the serial ADS interfaces. The later E36's you can use the KKL lead in obd mode to the 20 pin adapter.

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    its where all the confusion starts crossover cars, fully obd2 compliant against not being fully compliant and the owner deciding what he wants access to in the first place the full monty or the basics? this all determines what he should buy or source to get started etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian S View Post
    As your running LPG there will be error codes! Not that it's a problem.Ian
    Really?

    The car doesn't know it is running LPG, it disconnects the injectors and the lambdas are connected into the LPG system


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    Quote Originally Posted by dailydoggy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by E36Coupe328 View Post
    I think the trick here is I'm not obsessed with getting access to all modules.

    If I can use a VAG KKL on a 9pin COM port with a 16 to 20 pin adapter and get the engine alone for the £12 - £15 that would be fine and perfectly good value for money. Any other modules would be a bonus.
    i maybe wrong here but if your car is 20 pin ADS you would have to connect with your adaptor interface cable in ADS mode in INPA, and USB VAgcom ect ect interfaces will not connect in ADS mode, so you will still need a standard serial INPA interface and adaptor...

    USB interfaces you connect with INPA in OBD mode but your connecting via the ADS socket not the 16 pin OBD2 in the cabin..
    It's a proper 9 pin COM, worst case a guy I know with a passat can have it lol

    Quote Originally Posted by dailydoggy View Post
    its where all the confusion starts crossover cars, fully obd2 compliant against not being fully compliant and the owner deciding what he wants access to in the first place the full monty or the basics? this all determines what he should buy or source to get started etc...
    Decided what I want access to, the DME

    People always fuzz the issue by expanding it and mentioning other modules

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian S View Post
    You won't be able to talk to your 325, your 328 would probably work. There was something funny with the early 328's, the US cars which did get full OBD2 compatability got it in 1996.

    As your running LPG there will be error codes! Not that it's a problem.

    Ian
    328 is ODB1


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