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    no just remove ignition cap at the back 2 screws and then pair of pliers turn back rod big click rod pokes out and reassemble
     
     

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    will give it a go next time but was jammed solid last time not sure jiggling would have worked but next time will try
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post
    Well, a strange but happy update.


    Thanks to a combination of advice from my new best friend devon dave and some consultation with the venerable RYM, I have managed to get the problem sorted (for now, it appears) freely!

    I did what Dave said in the above posts with the pliers etc. which helped me in managing to reset the switch and shaft which connects to it, but it was getting me nowhere in terms of actually removing the tumbler.

    RYM suggested a beefy paperclip, which I tried, and while I still failed to remove the tumbler, I managed to screw it around inside enough to do whatever needed doing and found that it's now working again when I use the key. Happy days!

    So once again, huge thanks to devon dave and RYM for their expertise.

    I'm going to carry all the necessary tools and paperclips/hairpins, etc. in the car with me from now on though in case I get caught on the hop by it. I would recommend anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation do likewise.
    Excellent news Gordon
     
     

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    Hi guys.

    After doing a search on google for the same fault, ive read countless threads from numerous forums and help pages and must say, reading these last 4 pages have given me hope!

    Got my 318 in March and from day one, when I tried to start my ignition, the key would spin a few times in 360's until i "caught the latch" and locked in to start the car.

    Last week, I got into my car and noticed the radio on and digital mileage read-out lit up. I presume thats "position 1"?

    I thought was weird as I was holding the key in my hand. Obviously, in my last use of the car, whatever way ive taken the key out, it mustn't of fully been in the off position.

    Anyway, put key into ignition and it wouldnt turn at all. Tried until my hands were numb for about 3 hours to mess with it but no luck. Also, all along the sterring lock was off.

    After a mechanics advice over phone, i sprayed a little WD40 into the ignition and tried some more but still no luck. Key just wont turn in either way.

    Bit of a novice when it comes to cars but can you guys confirm the instructions about taking off the screws and turning the wee star headed pin back to the off position will reset this and maybe it could work?

    Im absolutely skint and have been worrying all weekend about having to fork out a small fortune replacing parts on this and if I can get someone to give these instructions to and follow through, it could save me a fortune.

    Am I along the right track?
     
     

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    This looks like one of those things that might well work but you won't know 'till you try.

    I've seen a couple of nice cars go as spares / repairs on ebay for this issue, wish I had read this before.

    Probably worth a how to if someone hasn't already


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    I was trying to make a How to based on the great info from the users on this post so that I can show my mechanic friend how its done. This is what ive came up with so far. If anyone can add to/correct this, then feel free as i think its a common problem and could be handy to have on here.

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    HOW TO (HOPEFULLY) REPAIR JAMME IGNITION BARREL

    Tools Required
    (Please help with this)

    Remove cover underneath steering column.



    This should reveal the following:



    Scrape off the red wax and it will reveal 2 small slotted screws.

    Take them out and pull the plastic switch away.

    That will then reveal the little silver rod, put a pair of grips on to it and gently turn it back torwards u like you would if you were turning the engine off with the key.

    The little metal rod will then pop out a few cm which means your key/barrel is now in the off position.

    You may also need to put a flat head screw driver in to the switch and do the same to that as that is prob also in the on position.

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    I did what was said in the above posts with the pliers etc. which helped me in managing to reset the switch and shaft which connects to it, but it was getting me nowhere in terms of actually removing the tumbler.

    It was suggested a beefy paperclip, which I tried, and while I still failed to remove the tumbler, I managed to screw it around inside enough to do whatever needed doing and found that it's now working again when I use the key. Happy days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle crockett View Post
    It was suggested a beefy paperclip, which I tried, and while I still failed to remove the tumbler, I managed to screw it around inside enough to do whatever needed doing
    Maybe the same hole is the ideal place for that self tapper

    Coat hanger wire or a small twist drill has served quite well in the past for ejecting barrels from old Opels


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    thats where im confused though. Im pretty confident of resetting the rod and perhaps the switch with the flat head screwdriver but after doing that, im hoping the key will work.

    If not, whats the next step? Taking the barrell out? Drilling somewhere. Think thats where i need the advice.
     
     

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    UPDATE:

    I have managed to reset the position of the rod to off and put the switch back over it.

    This has released the jam in the ignition but when I put the key in, it just turns and turns without catching the on positions.

    What do I do now?

    LATEST UPDATE:

    Can start car with screwdriver in switch but key still spins in ignition. Steering lock is also on.

    Do I still need to buy a new barrel and key or can i repair the current one by drilling a hole underneath it and inserting a small screw to lock it in place as the youtube clip shows.
    Last edited by uncle crockett; 20-09-2010 at 16:12.
     
     

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    Cheers for all the help

    Ordered a new ignition barrell coded from bmw this morning. Takes a week to come from germany to match your key etc and cost £52 all in. Gonna replace the old one when it arrives so hoping that cures it.
     
     

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