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    Hi all, i got a '95 e36 saloon on standard suspension, apart from 60f and 40r lowering springs, 17" wheels.

    It handles ok at the moment but the rear camber is miles out, is this just a case of adjustment on the bottom joint bolt? how much neg camber should i run?

    Also i would like a little more negative camber on the front, as i've been told this will increase grip in hard corners, is this correct and can i simply shim the top hub mounts?

    I use the car for a limited amount of motorway driving and mainly fairly spirited twisty A-road's.

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    For the rear, yes, you can use the eccentric bolt to adjust it (by +/-2 degrees, IIRC). Loosen a bit the but, then rotate the bolt to the desired angle. Wheel will be changing camber as you rotate the bolt.

    Thing is, without proper alignment tools, it will be very hard (if not impossible) to get it perfect. But it should do the trick until you have enough time/money to go the garage and get it done professionally.







    For the front, it's more tricky, as there's no OEM adjustment. You can either:

    1. Buy camber plates (camber adjustable top mounts).

    or

    2. Fiddle with some washers for the 2 lower bolts holding together the strut and spindle. See the pic, it's quite easy to do. Depending on how much neg camber you want, you might need spacers to clear the wheel from the strut.



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    3. You can enlarge the hole in the strut, where bolt no 5 goes, and make it more of an oval shape, rather than round. You'll then be able to pull/push the top of the spindle, modifying the camber.




    As I said, professional alignment is recommended for any of them, but you should be able to get it 80% done right.
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    thanks mistreku, i will have a crack at that soon then, is it right that a bit of neg camber up front will help through the twisty roads?
     
     

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    Mistreku... This is the post I have been looking for!!!!

    Thank you!

    Question on 2. - What size washers would you say would work the best... Would it differ if you were running other than standard Shocks & Springs?


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    Quote Originally Posted by speerzie View Post
    thanks mistreku, i will have a crack at that soon then, is it right that a bit of neg camber up front will help through the twisty roads?
    You're welcome! Yes, this is what I heard too, and I tend to believe that. A decent amount of negative camber is supposed to increase the resistance to understeer by increasing tyre grip.

    Just don't over do it.

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    Mistreku... This is the post I have been looking for!!!!

    Thank you!

    Question on 2. - What size washers would you say would work the best... Would it differ if you were running other than standard Shocks & Springs?
    Well, I'd try 1mm thick washer and see how that works out. Then add another one, or two (tops) if needed. Longer bolts needed for more than 1 shim.

    I would not use more than 3 washers as I feel it wouldn't be safe. But that should be more than enough for adjusting the camber. Mind you might need spacers to clear the strut from the wheel, if you use 3 washers (depending on wheel offset).

    I don't think running lower shocks and springs would change anything, THB. Apart from giving you a small amount of neg camber to start with.

    As I said before, I wouldn't over do it, as handling would be decreased rather than increased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistreku View Post
    Well, I'd try 1mm thick washer and see how that works out. Then add another one, or two (tops) if needed.

    I would use more than 3 washers as I feel it wouldn't be safe. But that should be more than enough for adjusting the camber. Mind you might need spacers to clear the strut from the wheel, if you use 3 washers (depending on wheel offset).

    I don't think running lower shocks and springs would change anything, THB. Apart from giving you a small amount of neg camber to start with.

    As I said before, I wouldn't over do it, as handling would be decreased rather than increased.
    I will remember that... Its a shame its not like Gran Turismo and you can just adjust it on a computer

    Cheers mate I think I will be giving it ago... I am guessing this is only for the rear?


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    No, the washers are to be applied on the fronts, where there is no OEM camber adjustment.

    For the rear, see first pic. All you have to do is loosen a bit the nut holding that bolt. After that, just rotate the bolt and you will see the camber changing. Is really straight forward for the rear.

    The other too pics (drawings) are for the front end of the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistreku View Post
    You're welcome! Yes, this is what I heard too, and I tend to believe that. A decent amount of negative camber is supposed to increase the resistance to understeer by increasing tyre grip.

    Just don't over do it.



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    nice one, i'm going to give it a go maybe tomorrow if i get time,on the front i will put 2mm washers initially and see how it is, then adjust it accordingly
    the back seems easy enough to get pretty dam close with some carefull measuring too.
    will update later in the week, thanks again
     
     

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    I'd suggest getting some longer bolts of equal grade. You run out of thread quickly when using spacers.
    This might be of some use http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=995556
     
     

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    washers are goog options for that but longer bolts maybe required - like mentioned above. If you want to do it on your own then better get camber gauge (about £40 from ebay) and dont over do it. I would suggest to keep it between somewhere between -0.4 up to -1.0 neg camber. More negetive camber will ruin your front tyres. Keep in mind that after this adjustment you need to check your front toe/tracking as it will change. For front suspension I would suggest around about 10' positive toe. but all that depend on your suspension setup and how wide your tyres. Just do it smart...
     
     

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