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    Hi guys, time I introduced myself, and warn of what seems to me a fundamental FLAW.
    I have driven this car with its N46B20 engine for almost 4 years and 28k miles and in almost all respects it is the best car I have owned in over 40 years driving. At 24k miles it uttered a grunt and the symbolic engine outline profile was displayed within the trapezium, all in yellow. The handbook told me I could continue with moderation, but have it checked without delay. I took it to a BMW specialist independent within 80m.
    To cut a long story short, there was so much engine damage that I accepted the indie's recommendation to fit a scrapyard engine, at £5k cost. At 6 months out of warranty, BMWUK refused a goodwill contribution because it had been worked on by an independent. The independent swore it was defective manufacture. I was left with the bill
    With unknown provenance, my car is not now worth very much.
    IF THE SAME HAPPENS TO YOU, I ADVISE YOU TO IGNORE THE MANUAL, TREAT THE YELLOW LIGHT AS A RED, AND GET IT TAKEN ON A BREAKDOWN TRUCK TO SOMEBODY YOU CAN TRUST. Hope this helps somebody.
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    i really feel for you there pal
     
     

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    What happened to the engine to cause so much damage? What was the mechanics assessment and how did they reach that diagnosis??

    Seems incredible that such a costly repair was required at such low mileage, was wondering what the fault code/symbol indicated?
     
     

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    I simplified it, being intro and all that.
    The indie first returned the car to me saying he had fixed it with new coils, for which he charged me about £200. The light had gone from the dash so I accepted what I was told. After another 100 or so miles it did not feel right and then the light came on again - yellow again, so I took it back to the indie - -and that is when, after £2k of 'investigation' and abortive 'repairs', he recommended a replacement engine from a scrapyard £2k for engine and about £800 for fitting.
    I'm afraid I don't know what the diagnostics read at the various stages of the £2k 'repair/investigation', but if it helps I can copy out what he said he had done.
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    Ouch sorry to hear that.

    No offence but have you used that indie before? Would like to see what he said he had done.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardb View Post
    Ouch sorry to hear that.

    No offence but have you used that indie before? Would like to see what he said he had done.
    I copy:
    'ENGINE RUNNING ROUGH AND HIGH CRANK CASE PRESSURE, REPLACED OIL SEPERATER AS DIAPHRAGM SPLIT, REPLACED FAULTY INJECTOR. CARRIED OUT GAS CHECK ON HEAD WHICH PROVED POSITIVE REMOVED HEAD AND FOUND VERY HEAVY CARBON BUILD UP ON VALVES AND PISTONS, HEAD STRIPPED, CLEANED, SKIMMED PRESSURE CHECKED AND RE-INSTALLED ENGINE IDLING OK BUT TO MUCH PRESSURE UNDER LOAD REMOVED VACUUM PUMP AND FOUND SEALS GONE. REPLACED VACUUM PUMP, VALVETRONIC SERVO MOTOR STICKING SO ALSO REPLACED, CRANKCASE PRESSURE STILL HIGH, LOW COMPRESSION CYLINDER 3. REPLACED ENGINE.
    Spelling and grammar is his!

    I had used him before but doubt if I shall again. At present not inclined to buy BMW again either. BUT - HE JUST MIGHT HAVE DONE THE JOB AT THE END OF THE DAY. I HAVE DONE 4K TROUBLE FREE MILES SINCE, THE SCRAPYARD TELL ME THE REPLACEMENT ENGINE WAS FROM A REAR END SHUNT MILEOMETER READING ONLY 7K, AND THE COST IS ABOUT 6MONTHS DEP ON A NEW CAR - AND I HAVE A RETIREMENT PROJECT TO LOOK FORWARD TO MAINTAINING A MODERN CAR WITH 1960's TOOLS !!
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    Why did you take it too an Indy in the first place..How is the Service history?-if you had it serviced.

    End of the day you run around blaming BMW and this and that but a car as old as yours with only 24K on the clock it would have been in your interest to maintain a FBMWSH and probably saved you a lot of aggro in first place but you didn't.

    And you still haven't said what that fundamental flaw was-if its so fundamental then it would be in all our interest to know what it is....

    You also didn't say who this Indy was-was he a specialist-Did he know anything about BM's inparticular the E90 range-could he have F***ed your car up without realising it.

    Instead of blaming BMW for not giving goodwill I think they are perfectly in their rights to say so.

    Its the same with a warranty on the electrical items in your house-If you mess with it or take it to get fixed at another place other than where you bought it then the warranty becomes invalid for good reason.

    Maybe you should accept some responsibility on your part-after all if you can afford a 5K engine swap then you can most certainly afford to keep a full BMWSH and taken it to them in the first place
     
     

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    I agree with StK, I wouldn't go worrying members with a rare incident such as yours. I would have checked the competence of the independent first to see how many of these engines he has worked on before coming to a conclusion that the engine is at fault. That list seems like a lot of unnecessary work carried out to me.
    Last edited by Boostist; 22-11-2009 at 14:27. Reason: that'll be rare 'incident', not 'indecent'!!! lol
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by NealP View Post
    That list seems like a lot of unnecessary work carried out to me.
    Agreed. I work for an indy, but i wouldnt touch a car like that that I know nothing about. Its not easy getting technical info for the newer models, If i cant get the info or the info is vague, wont touch the job...
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by StK View Post
    Why did you take it too an Indy in the first place..How is the Service history?-if you had it serviced.

    End of the day you run around blaming BMW and this and that but a car as old as yours with only 24K on the clock it would have been in your interest to maintain a FBMWSH and probably saved you a lot of aggro in first place but you didn't.

    And you still haven't said what that fundamental flaw was-if its so fundamental then it would be in all our interest to know what it is....

    You also didn't say who this Indy was-was he a specialist-Did he know anything about BM's inparticular the E90 range-could he have F***ed your car up without realising it.

    Instead of blaming BMW for not giving goodwill I think they are perfectly in their rights to say so.

    Its the same with a warranty on the electrical items in your house-If you mess with it or take it to get fixed at another place other than where you bought it then the warranty becomes invalid for good reason.

    Maybe you should accept some responsibility on your part-after all if you can afford a 5K engine swap then you can most certainly afford to keep a full BMWSH and taken it to them in the first place
    With the benefit of hindsight, I agree!
    I have no argument with the supplying dealer's maintenance outfit which I believe carried out warranty work earlier to the suspension quite satisfactorily, but I did have an issue with the salesman who was more interested in trying to sell me BMW finance than explaining BMW had advanced beyond the need for a dipstick. I do not believe it good practice to leave customers to work that one out for themeselves - all of which led me to a Specialist indie.
    The fundamental flaw is quite simply - I don't care what colour the engine management light comes up - - if I see the bloody thing again - - I shall park up and contact the nearest BMW Authorised Workshop! I have forked out for green Flag Membership to enable this course of action as painlessly as possible!
    It is surely up to forum members to decide their own courses of action. My actions might have been different if I had read this in advance. Is that not what this forum is for???????
    The indy might have done me a good job, why should I slag him off?? - if you want to find him, he is called the fifth letter of the alphabet, followed by a hyphen and a four letter word and located not a million miles from Bognor. Yes - he could have damaged my car - how would I know?
    BMWUK have been contractual - I have no argument with that - there is simply the absence of goodwill. The car was out of warranty. I have no case. Agreed.
    There you are, I agree with all you say. Perhaps others can benefit from my experience.
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