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    Can anyone point me into the right direction as to what engine I should use. I have all the mechanicals in place just need help on engine selection.
    As I understand it will be a lot easier to run a M57D30 engine with dde4 ecu. I would like to run the M57D30TU engine - 2003 150kw 410nm@1500-3250rpm engine. Is it dde4 or dde5/6/7? The torque at low rpm and flat torque curve would suit the Defender well. And if it is not dde4 is there any way I can run the ecu standalone?
    I have been in contact with Rally raid and they have looms for dde4 and dde5 but apparantly I will also need a cpu for the dde5 at additional cost. I do not mind buying the loom but loom and ecu is £1250 plus postage and taxes and with the R/£ exchange rate it becomes VERY expensive to go the dde5 route.
    If the M57D30TU is dde5 is there another way to get it running standalone?
    Any help will be greatly appreciated
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    The first M57N (=TU) engines are controlled with DDE 5. DDE 4 doesn't have control for fuel volume valve and scales for rail pressure and boost pressure sensor are different. Maps for those sensors could be changed and with volume control valve being open at rest state the engine would work but would not be optimal (mainly high fuel temps). Also the lambda contol could not be used.
     
     

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    OK, so the engine I prefer is DDE 5. Is there any way that I can run it stand alone? Or is it just going to be virtually impossible with the canbus talking to virtually everything in the original BMW? I am not versed in the BMW electronica at all and will have any changes made to the ECU done by somebody else that hopefully knows the system well.
    It seems I will have to go the DDE 4 way.....
     
     

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    On late E46's and E53's with M57N DDE 5 ECU uses same communication with rest of the vehicle as DDE 4 and fuel supply is the same (no EKP module like on newer models with M57N). So all this would need is disabling immobiliser or using donor ECU + EWS (immobiliser module) + key chip. Contact BWChiptune, he will most likely know the best solution for you purpose.
     
     

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    Thank you for your help, i have sent him a message. I really do hope he has a solution for me.
     
     

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    I have found out now that the DDE 5 will run standalone but will only rev up to 3500rpm without changes to the ecu. Anybody know why?
    BWChiptune is also looking at a solution for me.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefenderM57 View Post
    I have found out now that the DDE 5 will run standalone but will only rev up to 3500rpm without changes to the ecu. Anybody know why?
    That sounds very strange. I can't think why it would restrict the revs. More likely some other thing like fuel supply causing it.
     
     

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    After searching the web it seems that it needs a speed input on the DDE 5 (pin 49 on on the ecu(2412))
    Can anybody confirm?
     
     

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    Desperately looking for information on the above. Any confirmation? Am I looking in the right direction?
    PLEASE help!!!
     
     

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    CLICK Perhaps BW could find a way around this one or a way to get this signal from your vehicle.
     
     

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