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    Quote Originally Posted by Radders View Post
    Theres alot of shit in this thread, its an engine at the end of the day. YB's are awesome engines IF looked after, just like any other 4 pot turbo engine.

    Several I know run over 400bhp and are totally reliable!! The thing about the YB is it comes in a saph, 3dr and a Escort, Saph being the cheapest and easiest to buy, and they get thrashed by people who don't know anything about looking after a car, There are alot of nails about, but there are also some lovely examples about, Like most performace cars.


    SCS,Reyland, and MAD engines running 600+bhp and get track abuse, day in day out are reliable, and thats still on a 20+ year old engine block/head.
    yes mate theres alot of shite being spoken and im afraid your talking most of it..any cossie engine is unreliable!!! 400bhp and still reliable??? you are bloody joking arnt you!!! have a look at any serious track day..turbo lads out for a few fast laps and back in to let the motor cool down...m3 engine is very very well built and produce's its power without the need for a turbo BUT name any other engine or manufacturer that has such good quality internals that all as you need to do is fit a decompression head gasket bolt a turbo on and away you go another 200bhp.........when the cossie was was first made it set the world alight but time and tide waits for no man and things change and move on!!!!!.......every cossie iv ever had iv been worried to run it hard as they blow up for no good reason..iv rebuilt my share of them over the years and got sick of them going bang....my bmw i get in warm up and thrash to death,get home turn it off and its ready and waiting for its next session of punishment..there's enough lads on hear that know me and my cars to agree they get more hammer than any ford can stand day to day....i still own a old ford blower!!! but it the bmw thats my daily driver....

     
     

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    Ok pal.
     
     

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    so if i want it as a trackday car its best for a supercharger, and if i want it as a play toy for the road its gonna be turbo?is that the gist of it?i dont really want to fit a turbo to it if its gonna be so unrealible!
     
     

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    I am a ex Escort Cosworth owner!

    You guys are all talking about the 4x4 Cosworths.... they are not very reliable as people do it on the cheap! a good 4x4 gearbox to bolt onto a Cosworth engine is going to cost you £5000!

    Get a RWD engine and gearbox YB and get 400bhp out of it.

    What people forget is the YB is a 1960 design! based on the Pinto bottom end

    Badly modded cosworths are everywhere! and its not normaly the engine itself that is unreliable, its the cheap tat people put on them.

    Get a YB running Greys in RWD form, chuck it in, get a good headgasket, intercooler, oil cooler etc (do not scrimp) and you will have one hell of a engine!

    check out MA Developements website mate, he is the build of Rod Tarrys RWD Saph with 800bhp going to 1000bhp with nos! I seen the engine out of the car and the turbo is like a dustbin lid!

    What I am getting at, this car runs on a £1500 gearbox from the states!!!! Its been in the car since 400bhp and is still going strong with no rebuilds.

    4x4ing a cossie engine and making it reliable is hard work! but RWD is pretty easy if you ask me... just hold on, when that turbo kicks in your going very sideways all of the time
     
     

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    Also, are we comparing a standard M3 engine to a tuned Cosworth engine?

    And are we comparing a car that cost £25,000 to one that cost £35,000? at the same age?

    standard to standard the M3 would walk it in a straight line, but would need a better driver in the M3 to out handle the 4x4 a cosworth comes with.

    Its not fair to compare a tuned engine to a standard engine then slate the tuned example for being unreliable.

    For all that didnt know, the cosworth engine was detuned for road purposes, its original power was around the 280bhp mark but was dampend down with a shit chip and crap manifold, stage one is standard cosworth power really, thats when the engine is happy... now thats the same power as a 3.0 M3, and I have seen many stage 1 cosworth engines with well over 120,000 on the clock.

    The downside to the cosworth (any turbo engine) is it will need a check up, best to get this done every year! get the fueling checked and the mix etc to be safe!

    Now we all talk about fucked cosworth engines and problems.... you will have this in a few years time with the E36 M3! they are starting to get into the wrong hands now and being abused and not looked after, this will result in shit engines, very soon the E36 will be seen as unreliable as these cars filter down to the other users! thats with out any mods.

    I am not blinkered and the M3 is great, but for the cost to tune one is only for the die hard fans, a cosworth engine will be a better place to start for me, but to be honest, i would buy a RWD saph for peanuts and do that for track
     
     

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    o yeah and also the servicing on a cosworth is well under half the price of the M3, another thing to think about
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by mboon View Post
    Also, are we comparing a standard M3 engine to a tuned Cosworth engine?

    And are we comparing a car that cost £25,000 to one that cost £35,000? at the same age?

    standard to standard the M3 would walk it in a straight line, but would need a better driver in the M3 to out handle the 4x4 a cosworth comes with.

    Its not fair to compare a tuned engine to a standard engine then slate the tuned example for being unreliable.

    For all that didnt know, the cosworth engine was detuned for road purposes, its original power was around the 280bhp mark but was dampend down with a shit chip and crap manifold, stage one is standard cosworth power really, thats when the engine is happy... now thats the same power as a 3.0 M3, and I have seen many stage 1 cosworth engines with well over 120,000 on the clock.

    The downside to the cosworth (any turbo engine) is it will need a check up, best to get this done every year! get the fueling checked and the mix etc to be safe!

    Now we all talk about fucked cosworth engines and problems.... you will have this in a few years time with the E36 M3! they are starting to get into the wrong hands now and being abused and not looked after, this will result in shit engines, very soon the E36 will be seen as unreliable as these cars filter down to the other users! thats with out any mods.

    I am not blinkered and the M3 is great, but for the cost to tune one is only for the die hard fans, a cosworth engine will be a better place to start for me, but to be honest, i would buy a RWD saph for peanuts and do that for track
    thats along the lines of what i was trying to say but you seem to have said it better than me!! now add a turbo to the m3, maintain it cheaply at best and let a chav thrash it round halfords on the limiter in bottom gear very evening. i dont think the bm will fair a great deal better than the ford but obviously theres no proof, maybe it will remain to be seen.
    cossies have been widely available for 3 grand and under now for many years which obviously attracts people who cant afford to run them as they need to be run. the m3 i would say has a more mature following which leads to a better life for the car.
    i also still think the cossie can be reliable if built correctly and maintained without cutting corners, 400bhp is not big power for these anymore.
    for me the biggest pitfall of m cars is their lack of tuneability without a lot of hassle and money, which in turn (as mentioned) means that tuning is done by true enthusiasts who dont cut corners...

    325tds until i finish the skyline...........but i do quite like the tds!!!
     
     

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    Cheers for the back up!
     
     

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    The problem with a sierra cosworth....

    Is that its a SIERRA
     
     

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    if ya want cossie lump get a ford !!! work with what bmw has !!!
     
     

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