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    Suuup peoples.. as a few of ya know i have an E36 318iS..

    ive just been offered my friends E30 touring.. it has a 2.7 alpina engine in it and i want too put it in my E36..

    Any idea's on what running gear i should use?? engine mounts? radiator? etc etc..

    obviously il be uprating the breaks and shizz aswell..

    but just dont know what gear to use if i do the conversion.. going from an E30 into an E36 dosnt sound like an easy job..

    P.S the engine in the E30 isnt standard either, started life as a 318 Touring!

    And and and... Service kits/maintanance on a 2.7 alpina lump?? obviously not a common engine so dont know how much will be available??

    Any Help Would Be Great!!

    Thanks alot!

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    The engine will be the M20 325 engine, with the crank from a 525e
    The general parts will be pretty easy to get, but you might struggle for a sump
     
     

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    Dude, you really are the most helpful guy ive ever met lol so maintanance wish i can use M20 fuel/oil filters etc??

    probably a retarded question.. buuut if the engines for an E30, would the mounts still line up with mine? obviously with uprated 6 cylinder mounts..

    still need to get a chip off you!
     
     

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    I can't be sure about the engine mounts, but there will be some people who will know who have put an M50 in an E30.
    They'd know the different between E36 and E30 mounts.
    The 318iS M42 was used in both the e30 and e36, and the E34 5 series crossed over from M20 to M50.

    As for the general stuff, the usual E30 325 kit will be fine, but the sump might be a problem.

    When the E30-ers used the E36 M50, they needed to swap the sump to one from an E34, as it had lumps and bumps in different spots.

    That means you can be sure that an E30 sump won't be happy in an E36.

    A final point is not to be counting on it being an engine straight out of Buchloe, as there was a period when every E30 was claimed to be an Alpina of some description, and the 525e crank swap was very popular.
    That meant there were loads of engines, still 2.7l but not actually built by Alpina.
     
     

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    thanks alot!! il have to look into it.. i dont know what the engine originally came from.. im pretty sure it is an Alpina built one though.. ive looked over the engine and it has Alpina Cam Cover and Alpina written on alot of stuff.. and has a dyno print out that matches the Alpina engine spec at 207bhp..

    but il look into the sump.. if it does turn out too be an issue i might just keep the E30 touring aswell as my E36.. as i wanted to 2.8 my E36 and turbo it anyway..

    too many idea's, too much stuff to do, and not enough money and time to do it all ha

    thanks alottttt for your help my friend!
     
     

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    Silly question... but why dont you just fit a m52 2.8?

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    that was my first plan.. but then i got offered the alpina.. and cheap.. i mean really cheap.. and to do a 2.8 conversion id need to buy a doner car anyway as sooo much stuff is needed for the conversion..

    main reason the alpina idea came to mind was purely budget.. 207bhp and not alot of money..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey24601 View Post
    that was my first plan.. but then i got offered the alpina.. and cheap.. i mean really cheap.. and to do a 2.8 conversion id need to buy a doner car anyway as sooo much stuff is needed for the conversion..

    main reason the alpina idea came to mind was purely budget.. 207bhp and not alot of money..

    Mikey
    That soon get exspensive on the other things you dont know you need or not have.
    My M52B28 with M50 manifold and chip is pushing 220bhp with 200 lbs of torque at 1800rpm.
    a 90 day warranty engine from a breaker is around £400+,ecu's and looms maybe £100 or ask the breaker and get a running set up from same car.

    the big stumbling block is the sump and gearbox mounting locations.
    former could be real exspensive and troublesome and later relatively straight forward,just some welding etc while the sump could end up custom made or
    end up running a dry sump set up.
    you could also run into trouble with the proper 6 branch manifold that should be fitted to a real alpina 2.7 with the E36 steering column.

    the 2.7 engine is a really slow reving engine compaired to lots of 24v engines,the M52 is know to be slow reving compaired to and M50,M50 is a slow compaired to an M20.

    Good luck but i feel no matter how cheap this engine is it'll end up more exspensive than an S50 swap.

    oh and one more thing,you wont get an MOT with that engine.
    you need a logbook for the donor car to prove its age/date of first use,without that piece of paper it will need cat/emission control.
    on MOT you test to the oldest part of a car,1950's engine in 1990's car,you apply 1950 standard to engine,if you cant produce that paper work you test to car,even though you know the engines older.
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    style 5 alloys,M52B28 conversion on M50 inlet manifold. 220bhp and 200lb/ft mmmmmmm lovely
     
     

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    Thanks mate.. i do really want want the 2.8.. i dont fancy an M3 lump as im looking into turbo idea's in the future and M3's have more Vanos Issue's compared too the 2.8 under boost..

    i probably will get the 2.8.. 2.7 seems like alot of hastle lol is the M50 inlet manifold conversion a hard thing to do?? TheEnd can sort me out with a chip ha
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey24601 View Post
    Thanks mate.. i do really want want the 2.8.. i dont fancy an M3 lump as im looking into turbo idea's in the future and M3's have more Vanos Issue's compared too the 2.8 under boost..

    i probably will get the 2.8.. 2.7 seems like alot of hastle lol is the M50 inlet manifold conversion a hard thing to do?? TheEnd can sort me out with a chip ha
    Search the www. for info and follow that,theres a few issues to watch out for though.
    1998 323i sport touring. HSD coilovers,M3 lsd,
    style 5 alloys,M52B28 conversion on M50 inlet manifold. 220bhp and 200lb/ft mmmmmmm lovely
     
     

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