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    Since joining the forum I've read about many a car undergoing a remap. Feedback has ranged from 'I felt no difference and will be going back to get it unmapped and a refund', to 'noticable throttle response particularly at low revs and far smother through the rev range'. A place on County Durham has been recommended with rolling road and 'nopayment unless you're happy with the remap' policy. They seem very reputable.

    I'd be very greatful if those with the bigger engine E46s could share their remap experiences here.

    On a side note, my insurance company state they will not insure a remapped 330 M Sport. However,my (off the record) argument is that in the event of a road traffic accident, a cars ECU is not checked but rather a regular once over by an approved mechanic to make sure no obvious mods haven't been declared are present. Hence, why should the insurance company be told about a remap. Did you? What was their response?
     
     

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    Hence, why should the insurance company be told about a remap.
    Because it's the law and your insurance would be declared null en void IF you were found out?

    Did you? What was their response?
    I always have in the past and will again when the car makes it back out on to the road. There response on a 3.0litre Motorsport will probably be "Mmmmm why thankyou Mr Rym that will be x amount of mega bucks please"

    It sucks! I hate Insurance companies but it's the law and I want to be protected should the worst happen and my vehicle be involved in an accident.

    There are many insurance companies out there that WILL cover you with a remap. Adrian Flux give members a discount too

     
     

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    I keep thinking about getting a remap on my 330 but from my research the results don't seem that noticeable and may be physcosomatic. As for insurance, I would be very surprised if more than say 10% of people actually told their insurance companies. Yes its illegal but as you say difficult to detect so its down to your choice and willingness to risk no insurance and the implications that go with it.
     
     

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    all you do is change the way the coding is right, yes rym is correct you should tell them, but then unless they read your coding in the ecu and compared it to the manufactuers coding used to run the ecu they would never know.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauly7582 View Post
    Since joining the forum I've read about many a car undergoing a remap. Feedback has ranged from 'I felt no difference and will be going back to get it unmapped and a refund', to 'noticable throttle response particularly at low revs and far smother through the rev range'. A place on County Durham has been recommended with rolling road and 'nopayment unless you're happy with the remap' policy. They seem very reputable.

    I'd be very greatful if those with the bigger engine E46s could share their remap experiences here.

    On a side note, my insurance company state they will not insure a remapped 330 M Sport. However,my (off the record) argument is that in the event of a road traffic accident, a cars ECU is not checked but rather a regular once over by an approved mechanic to make sure no obvious mods haven't been declared are present. Hence, why should the insurance company be told about a remap. Did you? What was their response?
    Hi there.

    I'm having my 330ci remapped next week, so I called my insurers last night. I got put through to an overseas call centre, where the bod (who was clearly (a) completely ignorant about cars and (b) working from a flow-chart) told me that they don't cover modified cars. "Thank you and goodbye" was my response.

    I called back during office hours today and spoke to someone in the UK who did know what they were doing. Outcome - they will cover the remap for a £30.05 additional premium.

    Also, it needs to be borne in mind that because I have had a company car for the last 5 years (ie: insured by my former employer), and my previous car was on a classic policy which did not accumulate NCB, so far as my insurer is concerned I have no insurance history in cars generally, nor any NCB in particular.

    Moral of the tale - make sure you are speaking to someone who you are sure is competent.

    Second point: it would be a very, very bad idea indeed (IMHO) to remap the car and to not disclose this fact to your insurer. If you have an accident where the extra power or sharper throttle response materially contributed to the accident (eg: you lose the back end in the wet), then:

    (1) If an accident is serious enough, then insurers and/or the Police will instruct specialists to examine your vehicle. I have no direct experience of this, but I believe they can determine when work has been done to the ECU. You may say "Ah well, if I have an accident, I'll just have the ECU re-mapped back to standard". All very well, but if you're in hospital and your car is in the Police pound, then that isn't going to happen.

    (2) Moreover, even if you did manage to do it, remapping the ECU back to standard settings in an attempt to avoid liability (either criminal or civil) constitutes the offence of "attempting to pervert the course of justice". Starting point for sentencing for that offence is, IIRC, 4 months in custody.

    (3) Your insurers will probably refuse to indemnify you, in which case you will be personally liable for any damage caused. If, God forbid, you kill or injure someone, then the level of damages payable to them or their dependants could be truly enormous. If, for example, you maim someone of 30 who earns £50K PA, and they cannot work again, then (very simplified) the damages would be worked as 35 years to retirement X £50k PA, then adjusted for contingencies such as early unemployment, death and disease and adjusted again for prospects of promotion. Then then add damages for the injury itself (tens, if not hundreds of thousands of pounds), then add the cost of any damage caused to property (smashed up car/bike, damage to a house and/or road furniture), then add the cost of any alterations to their home and/or vehicle which are needed because of the disability caused by the accident, then add the cost of private surgery, care, physiotherapy etc. Basically just pick a number and add lots of zeros.....

    (4) If you are prosecuted for dangerous driving (for any incident, whether or not related to the hypothetical accident above), the fact that your vehicle was performance modified and not disclosed to your insurers will be an aggravating factor that will be taken into account when you are sentenced and could, potentially, mean the difference between a fine and a stretch in prison. Even more so if it comes out that your insurers told you that they would not cover the remap, but you went ahead anyway.

    In short, if your insurers WON'T cover you for the remap, then don't do it.

    Sorry to be a bit of a square, but is an extra 15BHP worth gambling your house and/or your liberty for?

    That's my two'pennorth.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauly7582 View Post
    Since joining the forum I've read about many a car undergoing a remap. Feedback has ranged from 'I felt no difference and will be going back to get it unmapped and a refund', to 'noticable throttle response particularly at low revs and far smother through the rev range'. A place on County Durham has been recommended with rolling road and 'nopayment unless you're happy with the remap' policy. They seem very reputable.

    I'd be very greatful if those with the bigger engine E46s could share their remap experiences here.

    On a side note, my insurance company state they will not insure a remapped 330 M Sport. However,my (off the record) argument is that in the event of a road traffic accident, a cars ECU is not checked but rather a regular once over by an approved mechanic to make sure no obvious mods haven't been declared are present. Hence, why should the insurance company be told about a remap. Did you? What was their response?
    plenty of power in 330 , remap makes very small diference.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauly7582 View Post
    Since joining the forum I've read about many a car undergoing a remap. Feedback has ranged from 'I felt no difference and will be going back to get it unmapped and a refund', to 'noticable throttle response particularly at low revs and far smother through the rev range'. A place on County Durham has been recommended with rolling road and 'nopayment unless you're happy with the remap' policy. They seem very reputable.

    I'd be very greatful if those with the bigger engine E46s could share their remap experiences here.

    On a side note, my insurance company state they will not insure a remapped 330 M Sport. However,my (off the record) argument is that in the event of a road traffic accident, a cars ECU is not checked but rather a regular once over by an approved mechanic to make sure no obvious mods haven't been declared are present. Hence, why should the insurance company be told about a remap. Did you? What was their response?
    Perhaps you should look at buying an M3, might be cheaper in the long run?
     
     

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    We map a few of these each month now.. There a Bit like the E46 M3 in a lot of ways there quick and go ok to start with !

    So you wont gain on number.. But after out map its much improvedon responce mid range power and the loss of the flat spot and the low down jerkyness they have pulling off

    If you have had the car for a bit of time you know were it needs improving a map well really help you !!

    If not have your money back.

    Hope that helps

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