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    For the guys that may know,

    is it possible for the M3 Evo engine to run 6 seperate cones (one off each tb) instead of a single box with a cone on the end?

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    What about the air mass meter??

    I guess that you could, but you would have to have the ECU remapped to remove the MAF...
     
     

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    yes it is ive seen in in america and this guy has to.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
     
     

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    Lots of programmable systems could do it without but then is would only be based on throttle position, revs and temp, although could probably use a MAP sensor on one and assume all are seeing the same


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    ive looked into it before and decided getting a carbon airbox is a much better option as the trumpets will be sucking in hot air.
    this is what you want im gutted coz im skint and thats a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3 TIM View Post
    The trumpets will be sucking in hot air.
    That's what I though...

    You could fabricate a heat shield some how.... Then get 6 direct cold ducting hose's

    Would like nice!!! BUT I can see performance taking a drop by 10-30bhp


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    As people have said, you will have to run AlphaN, which deletes the MAF sensor then you will have the problem of underbonnet heat making the car bog down. Open trumpets are fine on a race car on track as the airflow under the bonnet is high, but on the road at normal speeds you dont get the airflow.
    To run a carbon airbox you will need the AlphaN and have the car live mapped, someone like evolve can do this with good results.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve23002 View Post
    As people have said, you will have to run AlphaN, which deletes the MAF sensor then you will have the problem of underbonnet heat making the car bog down. Open trumpets are fine on a race car on track as the airflow under the bonnet is high, but on the road at normal speeds you dont get the airflow.
    To run a carbon airbox you will need the AlphaN and have the car live mapped, someone like evolve can do this with good results.
    Very true. I even talked to Sal @ evolve about the individual cones on the trumpets and he said not worth it on a road car due to heatsoak. Makes sense if you think about it and besides making a heathiseld will probably end up looking like a manifold anyway as you'd have to seal all the trumpets completely. The alpha-n tune would cost mega bucks as it would all have to be done on the dyno, thats before actually buying the softwware to tune.

    Also that carbon airbox on ebay is the cheapo chinese one which isn't even proper carbon fibre. The bottom half is fibreglass! It belongs to Yat, a member from e36coupe, he put that on his car several years ago and the poor guy had nothing but trouble from it as no one could map it properly, also the trumpets were so poorly designed he had to put the OEM ones back on and the noise was very disappointing as it didn't sound anything like the CSL or what a carbon airbox should. Another mistake he made was drilling the airbox and making a hole for the MAF. Our MAF's are designed to work in the specific housing they come in, any single 100th of a mm off the actual size and measurements and it messes up all the readings and gives poor idle as well as other issues.

    imho, if you want an airbox that is good for road and track (most of these airboxes are only good for race cars s they spend most of their time at top of the rev range) and doesn't give idle issues etc it has to be the MACmotoron airbox. Costs a lot of money but the quality and design is the best out there.

    http://www.macmotoren.de/BMW%20M3%20...fbe59aaecb9992

    These are the ones that Evolve sell and map, they have done a few now and the cars make insane power, throttle response and noise.

    hth
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerofm View Post
    Very true. I even talked to Sal @ evolve about the individual cones on the trumpets and he said not worth it on a road car due to heatsoak. Makes sense if you think about it and besides making a heathiseld will probably end up looking like a manifold anyway as you'd have to seal all the trumpets completely. The alpha-n tune would cost mega bucks as it would all have to be done on the dyno, thats before actually buying the softwware to tune.

    Also that carbon airbox on ebay is the cheapo chinese one which isn't even proper carbon fibre. The bottom half is fibreglass! It belongs to Yat, a member from e36coupe, he put that on his car several years ago and the poor guy had nothing but trouble from it as no one could map it properly, also the trumpets were so poorly designed he had to put the OEM ones back on and the noise was very disappointing as it didn't sound anything like the CSL or what a carbon airbox should. Another mistake he made was drilling the airbox and making a hole for the MAF. Our MAF's are designed to work in the specific housing they come in, any single 100th of a mm off the actual size and measurements and it messes up all the readings and gives poor idle as well as other issues.

    imho, if you want an airbox that is good for road and track (most of these airboxes are only good for race cars s they spend most of their time at top of the rev range) and doesn't give idle issues etc it has to be the MACmotoron airbox. Costs a lot of money but the quality and design is the best out there.

    http://www.macmotoren.de/BMW%20M3%20...fbe59aaecb9992

    These are the ones that Evolve sell and map, they have done a few now and the cars make insane power, throttle response and noise.

    hth
    cheers for that great info,ive looked at so many ' ebay bargains ' and have come close to spending money i havnt got chasing some extra ponies for a car that i rarely get to drive.
     
     

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    No probs mate.

    I've wasted so much money over the years so just have to advise when i can so others don't, coz it's not a nice feeling when you spend all that money and are let down by the item not being what you hoped.

    The carbon aibox is more about the noise and throttle reponse than just the power gain. Evolve's remap's are so good now that they make similar power to what you would have got with carbon airbox or cams in past years. You're on cutters right? check out Dino and TheTL's journals in members rides, they ahve dyno graphs etc fter their remaps. The vanos profile remapping they do has really taken their maps to another level. If you want intake noise and power i would just look out for a simota or gruppe m or make a heatshield and fit a large K&N cone, then get a remap. Job done!
     
     

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