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    Hey i currently have a 318iS.. but im looking to get a 2.8 conversion.. i was wondering where i can get a Vanos eliminator? as either way il be running a set up where i can use Vanos.. either Velocity Stacks or a Turbo Conversion..

    any help would be great

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    Not being cocky or anything but why would you want to remove the vanos ??
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    when running velocity stacks, the ECU you have to run, cant control the Vanos, theirfore ya need to remove it..

    running turbo its advised you remove the vanos aswell..

    but i believe a Vanos Eliminator locks the system so its constantly on, sooo it would be faster anyway.
     
     

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    I see, good to know.
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    Ot as the vanos has solenoids maybe a live feed and a resistor?

    Although a few years ago a mate's M3 was not idling ok and he said he didn't feel the vanos kick in higher up the rev range it wa slike it was kicked in all the way through.

    My dad lent on the wire and it idled smoothly so maybe the plug disconnected does what you want?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey24601 View Post
    ..but i believe a Vanos Eliminator locks the system so its constantly on, sooo it would be faster anyway.
    I doubt there's such thing as "constantly on", as it would contradict it's way of functioning. It would probably be more like "constantly off, meaning no variable timing. If it would be always on, then you'd probably have a lot less power in the higher range of rpm's.

    So by no means will the car be faster without the vanos. More appropriate for turbo applications, yes. But in N/A setup and without vanos, I think it would be slower.
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    oh my mistake, but with the Velocity Stack set up i was thinking of using, its still N/A, but all the ECU's you can run with the system cant control the Vanos system, but the Velocity Stacks can get anywhere from a 30-70bhp gain depending on other mod's..

    its literally removing the inlet manifold and having trumpets coming off each throttle body.. but the ECU set up to get it too run is veryyyyy complicated!
     
     

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    Could you be more specific about the Velocity Stack setup? Where did you get that info?

    I mean, I can't see why do you need another (or more) ECU(s) to run intake trumpets. And I also can't see how on earth an intake could ever provide extra 30bhp on a M50/M52 engine, not to mention 70. If you ask me, I think the best you could get from an M50/M52 with that intake and ITB's is 10bhp - and that will be high towards the end of the rpm range.

    And last, I can't see why the vanos should be deleted in order to get the intake working. After all, is just an intake.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm genuinely interested in this, I just doubt the figures so far.
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    Mike Burroughs from Stance works is running Velocity stacks on his E36, hes running a E46 M3 engine, but he says their showing anything from 30 to 70bhp gains on other cars, depending on what the other mods are.. i.e bigger throttle bodies, cams, etc..

    and im mainly interested in this conversion as its different.. everyone goes for supercharged, or turbo's..

    and as for the Vanos, i wouldnt really want to delete it.. its just the ECU's that you can run with the stacks, cant control the Vanos system, as ive already spoken too Omex ECU's about this..
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey24601 View Post
    running turbo its advised you remove the vanos aswell..

    but i believe a Vanos Eliminator locks the system so its constantly on, sooo it would be faster anyway.
    This is all crap. Just like on a naturally aspirated car advancing the timing of the intake cam will increase torque in the mid range of a turbo'd car.

    Locking it at full advance will not make your car faster. You will have the same volumetric efficiency in the upper revs and less in the lower revs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey24601 View Post
    oh my mistake, but with the Velocity Stack set up i was thinking of using, its still N/A, but all the ECU's you can run with the system cant control the Vanos system, but the Velocity Stacks can get anywhere from a 30-70bhp gain depending on other mod's..

    its literally removing the inlet manifold and having trumpets coming off each throttle body.. but the ECU set up to get it too run is veryyyyy complicated!
    There are ecu's out there that can control vanos. If they can control a nitrous solenoid they'll be able to control vanos.

    If this does get under way i'd love to see how you get on and what power can really be made. And what sort of money it takes
     
     

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